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Title: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: GATSU on September 09, 2016, 09:41:41 am
Details here (http://lupincentral.tumblr.com/post/150165678133/as-rumored-a-couple-of-weeks-back-another-lupin), courtesy of @lupincentral. So, from this trailer, does it mean he's breaking his oath, and killing people like Batman, now? Or are his opponents just that ruthless this time?
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Post by: VampireNaomi on September 09, 2016, 09:48:27 am
Very exciting! If these two conditions are filled, there'll be no end to my joy:

1) Goemon actually playing a significant role
2) no threats of sexual violence towards Fujiko
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Post by: Rhys2753 on September 09, 2016, 09:49:44 am
I was just going to post ANN's Article (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-09-09/lupin-iii-gets-new-theatrical-anime-centering-on-goemon-on-february-4/.106279) but you beat me to the Punch. Wonder what this would be titled if Discotek got it. Lupin the Third: Goemon's Blood Spray?
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on September 09, 2016, 10:33:12 am
Consider me very excited  ;D. I really enjoyed Jigen's Gravestone, so another Koike-directed Lupin is absolutely OK with me.

Also...that promo image of Goemon looks pretty badass.
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Post by: DrFurball on September 09, 2016, 12:57:14 pm
Jigen's Gravestone is probably my third-favorite movie in the series (after Cagliostro and Mamo, of course). I loved it immensely (save for the bit with Fujiko and the robot), so I'm naturally really hyped about this one. Wonder if it'll be a prequel, too? And if Lupin will get a new jacket?
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Post by: Lupus Zeniga on September 09, 2016, 01:06:23 pm
The Gravestone of Daisuke Jigen was one of the best Lupin films I'd seen, because of its stellar artwork from Takeshi Koike and its film-noir adventure tale. My only serious disappointment with it was the lack of Goemon, even though it was a gunslinger's tale and he'd have had little to do in such a story.

Thankfully, this seems to be a sequel to Gravestone, with Lupin and Co encountering Goemon for the first time. With the same crew on board, I have faith it will be as awesome as Gravestone was.
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Post by: SurrealBrain on September 09, 2016, 01:28:55 pm
Didn't expect this style to go past Jigen's Gravestone. Glad to be wrong!

I wonder what we can expect. If they're still going with the angle of this being a prequel to Green Jacket, then Lupin and Jigen might not meet Goemon face to face.

Though they could decide to throw that angle out, or have it go into stories set either during or after Green Jacket. Crazier things happened.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on September 09, 2016, 01:53:21 pm
I wonder what we can expect. If they're still going with the angle of this being a prequel to Green Jacket, then Lupin and Jigen might not meet Goemon face to face.

I was thinking the same, but someone on Tumblr pointed out that Lupin put Goemon in the scrapbook in the end of Gravestone, so he must be familiar with him already. I hope the gang all know each other already because if Lupin is going to have his own plot separate from Goemon, I fear it might eat Goemon's screen time. I really want to have as much of him as possible since he gets shafted so often.
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Post by: DrFurball on September 09, 2016, 03:29:10 pm
I was thinking the same, but someone on Tumblr pointed out that Lupin put Goemon in the scrapbook in the end of Gravestone, so he must be familiar with him already.
I took that as Lupin learning about Goemon's existence thanks to the book. Like, he hears about this young assassin thanks to the book, then makes a mental note to look into it when he gets back to Japan? Of course, this is more headcanon than anything.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on September 09, 2016, 03:41:39 pm
I took that as Lupin learning about Goemon's existence thanks to the book. Like, he hears about this young assassin thanks to the book, then makes a mental note to look into it when he gets back to Japan? Of course, this is more headcanon than anything.

Could be! The fact that all the relevant photos were on the same two pages implies something of a connection to me, but it could really be explained with anything. I hope they release more info about the plot soon because I'm very interested in knowing whether the gang will work together or not.
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Post by: SolHerald on September 09, 2016, 07:14:36 pm
Really excited for this! I was kinda hoping for Mamo remake, but now that I think about it, if Koike continues these maybe he can make one of these movies for every character, and then end it all off with them facing off agaisnt Mamo.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on September 10, 2016, 12:44:21 am
Count me in! For the most part, I really like the "Fujiko Mine" continuity. I hope to see more of these every couple years!
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Post by: Red Dear on September 10, 2016, 10:51:12 am
I took that as Lupin learning about Goemon's existence thanks to the book. Like, he hears about this young assassin thanks to the book, then makes a mental note to look into it when he gets back to Japan? Of course, this is more headcanon than anything.

Could be! The fact that all the relevant photos were on the same two pages implies something of a connection to me, but it could really be explained with anything. I hope they release more info about the plot soon because I'm very interested in knowing whether the gang will work together or not.

Indeed this small scene in Daisuke Jigen's Gravestone proves Lupin knows Goemon's existence. The actual place of the "Koike-verse" in the Lupin canon isn't certain.

I really hope this new spin-off film will actually put Goemon in the center of the story. Jigen wasn't the actual protagonist in "Gravestone", though he was still instrumental to the whole story.

Still, I am incredibly hyped for this new spin-off ! I recently said that while Lupin III Part IV was great, I am all for the slightly grittier side of the franchise. Go Koike ! :D
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Post by: Shin Lupin Sansei on September 10, 2016, 11:22:09 pm
Details here (http://lupincentral.tumblr.com/post/150165678133/as-rumored-a-couple-of-weeks-back-another-lupin), courtesy of @lupincentral. So, from this trailer, does it mean he's breaking his oath, and killing people like Batman, now? Or are his opponents just that ruthless this time?

I am confused. What oath? In Fuma Conspiracy he kills opponents, he's a paid assassin in Blue Jacket, and a straight up murderer in the first series, seems like there are other instances I recall but can't place off top of my head...
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Post by: Shin Lupin Sansei on September 10, 2016, 11:26:27 pm
Lol, forgot to say I am thrilled about this. When Fujiko finished I told my wife (who didn't care for the series-she likes lighthearted, silly lupin) that I'd love to see a second season that focused on Goemon and Jigen in the same style. So this is a nice surprise given that Fujiko's lack of success made the anything like the Jigen special seem an unlikely possibility and now we have a Koike Goemon special also!
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Post by: blackjacket on September 11, 2016, 09:02:53 am
Oh, I just found about this news! Awesome! I also like this "theme" song in this movie version. :)

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Post by: JAG2045 on September 11, 2016, 04:14:21 pm
Good news, I'm waiting for my copy of "Jigen's Gravestone" to arrive from rightstuf so cant wait to watch that then this one :-)
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Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on September 12, 2016, 10:38:02 pm
Very cool news! I'm enjoying this Renaissance of "more Lupin stuff than we usually get" the past few years.
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Post by: GATSU on September 13, 2016, 07:04:55 am
Shin: He kills people in Fuma who kidnapped his girl and are threatening to hurt her. And while he does take hit-jobs, he rarely finishes them out of conscience.
Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Red Dear on September 14, 2016, 11:46:21 am
Goemon's oath regarding human lives is a rather recent occurence. He is not very cold-blooded but he did kill numerous people throughout his existence as a character.

I think the oath you speak off referes more to people he clearly sees as innocent or at least not total bad guys. Let's remember he didn't have any problem destroying those planes during the Havana episode in Mine Fujiko to Iu Onna.

If the PV teaser is anything to go by, he is fighting numerous ill-intended gangsters. But it's too little to judge.
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Post by: DrFurball on September 14, 2016, 01:52:20 pm
I think my favorite shot of the whole thing is Lupin, hands in pockets, with a calm smile on his face, dropping from a rope and landing on a bad guy's face, feet-first.
It's such a perfect Lupin moment. Both the Fujiko TV series and Jigen's Gravestone wrote a nearly-perfect version of Lupin, with a right mix of silly/cool. So, I'm glad that this one looks like it'll be continuing that.

Goemon's oath regarding human lives is a rather recent occurence. He is not very cold-blooded but he did kill numerous people throughout his existence as a character.

I think the oath you speak off referes more to people he clearly sees as innocent or at least not total bad guys. Let's remember he didn't have any problem destroying those planes during the Havana episode in Mine Fujiko to Iu Onna.

If the PV teaser is anything to go by, he is fighting numerous ill-intended gangsters. But it's too little to judge.
Not to mention that, before meeting Lupin, he was explicitly working as an assassin, as shown in TWCFM, his first appearance in Part I (in fact, the conflict of the episode is that he's been assigned to kill Lupin III), and I think his episode of Part IV.

Assuming this is a prequel like TWCFM and Jigen's Gravestone, it's likely set during the time that he was being paid to kill people. So, if he does have a no-kill policy, then it is, like Red Dear said, likely a recent invention (after all, I've always felt he deems objects as being "unworthy" because his blade was designed for combat with actual humans, not for armor/clothing/floors/walls/ect.)

I also like this "theme" song in this movie version. :)
Me too. I think the trailer is the first time we've heard it without sound effects/voices covering up most of it. I keep watching the trailer just to listen to the song.

Also, I didn't realize this myself, but according to this Italian fanpage on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/mitichecitazionilupin/), it looks like Lupin's going green again. (https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14257559_1325001770844058_936071462734774045_o.jpg) Honestly, I was kinda hoping for blue again, or maybe something new, like orange or purple or white or something (then again, with Koiike's oddly sinister-looking-but-still-really-cool (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5eN4Dq83Xg) pachinko designs, and the look of TWCFM, maybe he just prefers Lupin in green?)
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Post by: GATSU on September 14, 2016, 07:57:22 pm
Nothing new or important to add, but via @telecom_anime and @cinematoday, video of Namikawa at the announcement (https://twitter.com/cinematoday/status/775224940358283264) for the anime.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on September 16, 2016, 06:59:22 am
A few little pieces of concept art from James Shimoji's Twitter account.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JamesShimoji/status/776640979986030593

Looks like Lupin's sporting the half-tuck.
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Post by: blackjacket on September 16, 2016, 09:55:48 am
BTW, what is Lupin saying to Goemon in the teaser trailer?
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on September 18, 2016, 08:10:56 pm
This is good news, the last one was pretty good. If only it ran longer... And I'd find nice to see Goemon as a foe to Lupin again, even if it's for little time.

The theme song, if my ears don't hear wrong, is a new version of a theme that appeared in Jigen's Gravestone, during the very last scene. Indeed, it's called "Theme from Lupin the Third 2014". Heck, it was already used in Jigen's Gravestone trailers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Skw43XwX6oc), didn't remember. You can hear the full version here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsE4m8onF0A). So I guess the new one is the "2016 version".

Can't wait to Zenigata's movie, too!
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Post by: DrFurball on September 18, 2016, 11:34:59 pm
Blame it on lifelong hearing loss, but I really can't tell any difference between the two versions of the theme.
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Post by: SurrealBrain on September 19, 2016, 04:48:50 am
That sucks, DrFurball. Dunno what I can say to help, but I hope you've been getting though it.

That song is an awesome piece regardless, though.
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on September 19, 2016, 05:35:13 pm
Blame it on lifelong hearing loss, but I really can't tell any difference between the two versions of the theme.

I think the arrangement is different, there are more instruments in this one. And the vocal part... the chorus doesn't sound the same for me. But that's minimal.

Of course, it could be that I'm the one losing his hearing  ;D

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Post by: SolHerald on September 19, 2016, 07:30:16 pm
They probably edited it a bit, but other than that it sounds the same, at least for me as well. I don't think the chorus part is different either, it sounds the same as the last 30 seconds of the full version from Jigen's Gravestone.
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Post by: DrFurball on September 20, 2016, 01:15:54 pm
That sucks, DrFurball. Dunno what I can say to help, but I hope you've been getting though it.
I appreciate the sympathy, man. But I was just wondering what the difference was between the two tracks was and was explaining why I might not be able to pick up on any.

I think the arrangement is different, there are more instruments in this one. And the vocal part... the chorus doesn't sound the same for me. But that's minimal.
Ah, okay.

They probably edited it a bit, but other than that it sounds the same, at least for me as well. I don't think the chorus part is different either, it sounds the same as the last 30 seconds of the full version from Jigen's Gravestone.
Yeah, that's where I'm at, too.

Either way, I really dig this theme. Not as much as Yuji Ohno's classic melody, but I prefer it over "Sexy Adventure" (which I still really like), and all the Part I themes.
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Post by: Lupus Zeniga on September 24, 2016, 05:01:22 am
Has anyone made screencaps of that trailer yet?
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Post by: Red Dear on September 24, 2016, 04:05:48 pm
I think you can find some on Tumblr or the Lupin Maniac fanpage. ^^
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Post by: GATSU on November 25, 2016, 03:31:28 pm
Here come the men in black (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2016/11/25-1/new-images-released-for-goemon-centric-lupin-iii-film).  ::)
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on December 01, 2016, 11:11:44 am
Cool! Another fan-favorite jacket is coming to play... And jeez, I love those designs!!

I wonder what the length of the movie will be. I just hope they don't use the episode estructure again. It's kind offsetting  :(

Thought if it's true that, like I read once, Jigen's Gravestone was being developed as an OVA first, maybe it does not happen...
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Post by: GATSU on December 02, 2016, 03:24:05 am
New trailer and poster (https://twitter.com/lupin3_goemon/status/804600768388943872). >_<

Edit: BTW, really terrible Google 'translation' of the premise:
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A trailer of "LUPIN THE IIIRD blood smoke Ishikawa Goemon" (released February 4, 2017) which depicts youthful days of Ishikawa Goemon of "Lupine the Third" is made public and it is an employer of Goemon A part of the story about the death of the group leader was revealed.

【Video】 Bureida of young days is bloody! "LUPIN THE IIIRD blood smoke Ishikawa Goemon" trailer

This work which becomes the second volume of "LUPIN THE IIIRD" series animated with "Lupine the 3rd" of the original monkey · punch with adult touch. Lupine I am hiding to take away money from a gaming boat going off Izu. The ship was on board a team chairman of the Ryuunrukai who was the employer of Goemon. Meanwhile, the ship was blown up and the group leader died. The surviving Goemon is punished by the funeral and accused of the sins who did not save the chairman from the group members, and can make a stigma of the traitor.

It was called "ghost of Bermuda" that killed the group chief, and a soldier who robbed 2,000 people in the battlefield beforehand and the codename "Hawk". His purpose was the execution of Lupine the 3rd, Daisuke Dimension, Fujiko Mine. In the trailer, the appearance of a big guy who is an ax 's giant Hawk and a wounded five gates appears. In the form of gleeing off the men with a slash of men, "Do not be afraid of me.

How does Seiken take the enemy of the chief and save his colleagues ...? Bloody images are scattered and it is a trailer that encourages expectations even this. (Editorial Department, Yuriko Ishii)
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Post by: Red Dear on December 02, 2016, 05:36:10 am
Ah this trailer sells dreams ! :D

I like the fact that the villain seem to be both brutish and suave, and the metal teeth are nich little Bond-esque nod. ^^

As I thought, the movie will feature extensive sword fight scenes and Goemon, in those few shots, really shines even when badly wounded.

Bonus points for short-haired Fujiko, I was waiting so long for that !

To answer Goku345, I suspect the movie will have roughly the same length as the Jigen one, in order to maintain some uniformity in the structure.
However, as you said, the Jigen spin-off wasn't meant to be a full-lenght movie at first, so I guess they might drop the two episodes format. Or not, it really
depends on what feeling they want to convey.

What I hope for is another brief appearance of Mamo, like in the previous movie. I really want the "Koike-verse" to reach a climactic moment when all cast members
unite to defeat him, à la Avengers. ^^

Only time will tell. ^^

To conclude, another thing I like about Koike's approach is that he isn't afraid to mess with the cast's usual clothing standards. They all roughly wear their trademarks but in different
tones, sometimes in looser fashion (Jigen doesn't have a tie in many shots and Lupin seems to be jacket-less for a good part of the movie when he is not in blakc jacket). Those small
touches really make this version his own, and I appreciate that. ^^
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on December 02, 2016, 10:20:38 am
^^^
What he said ;)

I think they're giving both Jigen and Lupin their Jigen's Gravestone attires, aside Lupin's black jacket (which I assume will appear only during the gaming boat sequence). And yes, Fujiko looks great with that haircut/wig!

The trailer looks really spectacular, and Koike's poster (more in tone with his usual drawing style) looks very good, too. I agree with Red Dear that following both the length and the episodic structure would be logical and coherent for this film saga; also helping to save money and make better animation. Which brings me to question... do you believe there will be a third spin-off movie about Zenigata?

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Post by: Red Dear on December 02, 2016, 11:09:17 am
I do believe there will be more movies of that sort. They can't stop with just two ! Plus, they have quite some time between movies and certainly another Lupin project of a different tone in-between (like Part IV).

Plus, as I suggested, I think Mamo's appearance at the end of "Gravestone" is not a mere cameo but will play
some part in an overarching story. At least, that's what I hope. ^^

Or maybe it's just a possible "prequel" to the movie Mystery of Mamo but I don't know. The "Koike-verse" is pretty ambiguous when it comes to place it in a canon.
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Post by: SolHerald on December 02, 2016, 05:17:50 pm
Awesome trailer, can't wait to see it. I liked the Jigen's Gravestone style, but I'm glad they changed it a bit, keeps it fresh. Also took me a while to figure out the woman with short hair was Fujiko. XP
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on December 02, 2016, 06:29:59 pm
I do believe there will be more movies of that sort. They can't stop with just two ! Plus, they have quite some time between movies and certainly another Lupin project of a different tone in-between (like Part IV).

Plus, as I suggested, I think Mamo's appearance at the end of "Gravestone" is not a mere cameo but will play
some part in an overarching story. At least, that's what I hope. ^^

Or maybe it's just a possible "prequel" to the movie Mystery of Mamo but I don't know. The "Koike-verse" is pretty ambiguous when it comes to place it in a canon.

It would be really cool to see Mamo star a movie again! Or maybe, like you said, it's just an easter egg.

And, no kidding, I wouldn't discard the idea that Part IV happens in some place after this movies. Lupin is supposed to be young in both takes, and the jacket... In any case, it's clear that they are given them different treatments when it comes to official statements, they come separately.

Also took me a while to figure out the woman with short hair was Fujiko. XP
Heh, she changes her look so much you can never tell!
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Post by: DrFurball on December 02, 2016, 09:46:25 pm
Or maybe it's just a possible "prequel" to the movie Mystery of Mamo but I don't know. The "Koike-verse" is pretty ambiguous when it comes to place it in a canon.
It seems pretty definite to me. TWCFM to Jigen's Gravestone to this movie to Green Jacket to Red Jacket to Mamo...it seems like they're careful to make sure these prequels don't contradict the older stuff (like Jigen and Goemon seeing each other as giant owls when they first met so they don't recognize each other in episode 5 of Part I, or how that same Part I episode has Goemon thinking that Fujiko's his girlfriend, and episode 3 of TWCFM ends with him wondering if they're a couple now).

I know the rest of the franchise plays fast and loose with any semblance of continuity, but the stuff Koike's worked on seems to be trying to make an actual canon happen. I, for one, feel that it's worked out pretty well so far.

(Of course, if this movie has Goemon and Lupin meet for the first time, then I'll have to develop a taste for crow. But we'll see.)
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Post by: SurrealBrain on December 02, 2016, 10:30:48 pm
It might be trying to have a canon even then; just something that's its own canon rather than...whatever canon the non-Koike stuff might have. Though that's assuming Lupin and Goemon truly meet here.

Though one can argue that TWCFM and Jigen's Gravestone can still work as prequels to the existing stuff even then, and just say after Jigen's Gravestone it diverges into two or more timelines, one being this film, and the other being the stuff we've seen already. Hey, it worked for other franchises, so why not?
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Post by: VampireNaomi on December 03, 2016, 02:59:01 am
I'm going to be a little disappointed if Goemon doesn't meet Lupin in this one. If they want to stay faithful to old canon, that's the logical step to take, but I feel it's going to take some oomph from the story if their paths never cross, or if Lupin is just watching Goemon the whole time. The teaser has a clip where Lupin, Jigen and Fujiko are watching behind a tree as Goemon staggers away, and I'm going to feel cheated if they're that close and won't say a word to him. Though I suppose it'd be a good way to build a bridge between this and ep 5 of Green Jacket if Lupin becomes aware of Goemon's existence here.

Anyway, I'm super excited about this, too! Jigen's Gravestone didn't hold up after a rewatch, but this one seems like it has more substance.
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Post by: Red Dear on December 03, 2016, 04:09:49 pm
The teaser already shows Lupin and Goemon meet.

Parts of "Jigen's Gravestone" are already contradictory (Jigen and Lupin's partnership is only professional at the beginning but the year is 1973).

I consider the "Koike-Verse" to be on its own bubble but I think we'll get more conclusive answers when the Goemon movie indeed comes out. ^^
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Post by: Lupus Zeniga on December 04, 2016, 09:08:21 am
That new trailer was pretty spectacular. That was a cool new poster too.

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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on December 05, 2016, 04:39:28 pm
I am so excited!!! I want to see this thing as soon as possible. I'm hopeful that Discotek will pick this up like they did with Jigen's Gravestone. It's a shame that there's not really a market for this in the U..S because I would love to see it on the big screen.

Some brief observations of the teaser:

(http://i.imgur.com/Xc0rcs3.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/p5RrtCw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/YJ1FPQd.png)
Much like Jigen's Gravestone, it's obvious that this film is going to have some fantastic visuals. These shots in particular stood out to me the most (especially the one with Goemon jumping in the air while unsheathing the Zantetsuken becasue it's so badass). Koike directing Lupin is one the best things that happened to the franchise, and I can't wait to see what he'll do next.

(http://i.imgur.com/g5q04qc.png)
The Koike-verse has had some menacing villains with the ever-creepy "Fraulein Eule" guys and Yael Okuzaki, and it seems like this "Bermuda Spectre" fella is going to keep that streak running. I'm also getting a real Jaws vibe from those metal teeth.

(http://i.imgur.com/jIGHeou.png)
Honestly, I wasn't a huge fan of Zenigata's portrayal in the Fujiko Mine series. It worked for what it was, but it's definitely not my favorite interpretation of the character. I do, however, really like his character design and it's cool to see him with the classic color scheme. Hopefully he'll have a bigger role in this than he did in "Jigen's Gravestone".

(http://i.imgur.com/adTNJDm.png)
Lookin' pretty suave in that black Jacket, Lupin. When I saw the first teaser, I thought that he would be back in his Green Jacket, but I like the new choice.

(http://i.imgur.com/8LeK9Hc.png)
I have no idea what's going on here, but it looks awesome!!!

(http://i.imgur.com/NjYRhhv.png)
I have a feeling this scene is going to be highly entertaining. It'll be fun to see how Lupin and Jigen get out of this one.

Last but not least...
(http://i.imgur.com/taw1fXS.png)
Fujiko smoking a bong. She's always been one for a life of leisure, so this seems pretty appropriate for her character. I also dig the new hairstyle.

Everything we've seen for this movie seems promising so far. I'm really looking forward to it!
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Post by: GATSU on December 05, 2016, 10:30:09 pm
Thief:
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It's a shame that there's not really a market for this in the U..S because I would love to see it on the big screen.

You could always try to pester Daisuki to do some Fathom-style release for it...

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but I like the new choice.


It's actually not the first time they gave him one of those. There was a Michael Jackson-style figure of him released with that jacket a few years ago.

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Fujiko smoking a bong. She's always been one for a life of leisure, so this seems pretty appropriate for her character.

They'll probably try to get away with it, like some of the head shops around here, by saying it's for tobacco.
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Post by: DrFurball on December 07, 2016, 02:27:28 pm
Though one can argue that TWCFM and Jigen's Gravestone can still work as prequels to the existing stuff even then, and just say after Jigen's Gravestone it diverges into two or more timelines, one being this film, and the other being the stuff we've seen already. Hey, it worked for other franchises, so why not?
Yeah, that's the approach I'm gonna take.

(http://i.imgur.com/YJ1FPQd.png)
Much like Jigen's Gravestone, it's obvious that this film is going to have some fantastic visuals. These shots in particular stood out to me the most (especially the one with Goemon jumping in the air while unsheathing the Zantetsuken becasue it's so badass). Koike directing Lupin is one the best things that happened to the franchise, and I can't wait to see what he'll do next.
I'm not sure that's Zantetsuken. The spiffy sheath and scabbard (particularly with the guard) are different from the plain wooden one it usually has. Maybe this will be the story of how Goemon acquired Zantetsuken, and this is the sword he was using before?

(http://i.imgur.com/g5q04qc.png)
The Koike-verse has had some menacing villains with the ever-creepy "Fraulein Eule" guys and Yael Okuzaki, and it seems like this "Bermuda Spectre" fella is going to keep that streak running. I'm also getting a real Jaws vibe from those metal teeth.
Definitely. He's large and seemingly overweight, but he's not drawn to be disgusting-looking like most fat villains are. It's kind of an unusual look for a villain in this series. And the metal teeth are definitely a James Bond homage (as well as a nice Monkey Punch-like touch).

(http://i.imgur.com/jIGHeou.png)
Honestly, I wasn't a huge fan of Zenigata's portrayal in the Fujiko Mine series. It worked for what it was, but it's definitely not my favorite interpretation of the character.
Agreed. Despite the character designs, I believe the Koike-directed movies have different writers than the TV series did, so maybe we'll see a more faithful take on the character.

(http://i.imgur.com/8LeK9Hc.png)
I have no idea what's going on here, but it looks awesome!!!
Now THAT looks like Zantetsuken!

Last but not least...
(http://i.imgur.com/taw1fXS.png)
Fujiko smoking a bong. She's always been one for a life of leisure, so this seems pretty appropriate for her character.
Assuming it's like the other Lupin stuff Koike's worked on, we're looking at a 1960s-70s period piece, so if nothing else, it fits the era.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on December 07, 2016, 05:10:00 pm
I'm not sure that's Zantetsuken. The spiffy sheath and scabbard (particularly with the guard) are different from the plain wooden one it usually has. Maybe this will be the story of how Goemon acquired Zantetsuken, and this is the sword he was using before?

I should have looked closer at the snapshot haha. Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah, that's most likely not the Zantetsuken. If I'm not mistaken the only appearance of Goemon pre-Zantetsuken is First Contact. It'll be interesting to see another take on Goemon acquiring it if that's what they're going for. There is the possibility that he just doesn't have it with him in this scene, but that seems unlikely IMO.
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Post by: mikezilla2 on December 07, 2016, 09:15:31 pm
almost every other anime flick makes it to the big screen now in a limted viewing opertunity why cant this ?
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Post by: GATSU on December 19, 2016, 12:15:14 am
Nothing important, just more stills. Here's a hatless Jigen (https://twitter.com/telecom_anime/status/806623642410827776), while Zenigata does need his stinking badge (https://twitter.com/JamesShimoji/status/806442895863447552).

Edit: Still not important. But if you've ever wanted to follow an official Lupin Tumblr account, now's your chance (http://goemon170204.tumblr.com/post/154116274072/lupin-the-%E2%85%A2rd-%E8%A1%80%E7%85%99%E3%81%AE%E7%9F%B3%E5%B7%9D%E4%BA%94%E3%82%A7%E9%96%80%E6%9C%80%E9%80%9F%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%9F%E3%82%A2%E5%85%88%E8%A1%8C%E4%B8%8A%E6%98%A0%E4%BC%9A-%E9%96%8B%E5%82%AC%E6%B1%BA%E5%AE%9A).

Edit 2: Moving on, Goemon gets ready (http://natalie.mu/eiga/gallery/show/news_id/213675/image_id/694122) for his Linkin Park-themed AMV. Also, I guess he wasn't (http://natalie.mu/eiga/gallery/show/news_id/213675/image_id/694121) able to successfully master fusion with Vegeta or Goku.  ::)
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on December 19, 2016, 08:48:08 pm
It's not much, but there's some new snippets of footage in this interview with Daisuke Namikawa.

https://mobile.twitter.com/saru5542/status/810997395362234372
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Post by: GATSU on December 20, 2016, 05:17:47 pm
Oh, and if you're really impatient, here's a look at the import Blu-Ray set (https://twitter.com/WTK/status/811334058861072384).

Edit: Plus, via @Telecom_anime, stills (https://twitter.com/akiba_kakakucom/status/811046933620031488) from the footage link posted above me.
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Post by: mikezilla2 on December 20, 2016, 10:03:45 pm
whens that set come out ?
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Post by: Red Dear on December 21, 2016, 12:19:01 am
May 26th for the DVD release in Japan.
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on December 21, 2016, 01:19:37 pm
You can also apparently buy the Blu-Ray early at the theaters showing the film.
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Post by: Rhys2753 on December 21, 2016, 09:14:48 pm
https://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A&url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=%E8%A1%80%E7%85%99%E3%81%AE%E7%9F%B3%E5%B7%9D%E4%BA%94%E3%82%A7%E9%96%80 (https://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A&url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=%E8%A1%80%E7%85%99%E3%81%AE%E7%9F%B3%E5%B7%9D%E4%BA%94%E3%82%A7%E9%96%80)
According to these amazon listings, the standard editions are 51 minutes whereas the limited editions are listed as 53 minutes. I kinda doubt they'd have that difference going on, but I'm more miffed that it's going to be another under an hour affair. but then again that might make this more appealing to Discotek go give it the dub treatment.
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on December 22, 2016, 04:54:41 pm
Thank you everyone for the information!

From my experience acquiring the limited edition of Gravestone, I can tell the added 2 minutes of footage might be trailers and TV spots included as extras. Gravestone included two trailers of 30 seconds and two spots of 15 seconds each, if I'm not wrong.

They might be following the same route this time.

BTW, I highly recommend purchasing the limited edition, if you're willing to buy the Japanese edition. Gravestone's included two booklets; one including complete settei of the movie (EVERY single thing appearing on screen) and the other including samples of cels following key animation throughout the film. They also include a ton of production info and some interviews.

Summing up, I believe it's the second best animation Art Book I've ever had in hand (the first one is the Newtype Evangelion Art Book, God made book...). Let's hope this new pack includes art books at least as awesome as the last one...
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Post by: Shin Lupin Sansei on December 22, 2016, 11:09:38 pm
Thank you everyone for the information!

From my experience acquiring the limited edition of Gravestone, I can tell the added 2 minutes of footage might be trailers and TV spots included as extras. Gravestone included two trailers of 30 seconds and two spots of 15 seconds each, if I'm not wrong.

They might be following the same route this time.

BTW, I highly recommend purchasing the limited edition, if you're willing to buy the Japanese edition. Gravestone's included two booklets; one including complete settei of the movie (EVERY single thing appearing on screen) and the other including samples of cels following key animation throughout the film. They also include a ton of production info and some interviews.

Summing up, I believe it's the second best animation Art Book I've ever had in hand (the first one is the Newtype Evangelion Art Book, God made book...). Let's hope this new pack includes art books at least as awesome as the last one...

I agree that the Jigen books are awesome! Main reason I am considering this release. Ironically when I first saw photos of the books I tried to figure out where to buy them, didn't realize I already had them, lol. I had already watched fan subs and was waiting for DT's release and hadn't even opened the JP release. I had actually bought it solely for this specific version for the amazing canvas art print that came with it:

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B00MP5WS7Q/

I'm holding off a bit for preordering as I am hoping Amazon JP will get another exclusive set of canvas prints to choose from for the Goemon special.
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Post by: SSJ3_Goku345 on December 25, 2016, 03:34:32 pm
Yes, it might be early to preorder yet. There's plenty of time left until May...

The canvas for Gravestone were awesome, thought I just bought the limited DVD edition with this Koike-designed box. I have to confess that I like Gravestone's "art pieces" more than the new ones, though I was very eager to see again Koike designing something more in tone with his actual style.

I'm talking of this one, in particular.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on January 25, 2017, 10:44:40 am
I saw this (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2-oVGXUsAEZPnJ.jpg:large) on Twitter and it's really making me wonder how around 50 minutes is going to be enough to tell the story that a lot of the screenshots imply. The movie probably has a simpler plot and less focus on various elements of it than my imagination is making me think, but so far it looks like every regular character has something cool going on for them. I hope the pacing is excellent and that the movie won't feel rushed.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on January 31, 2017, 11:19:36 am
For anyone who's interested, there's an 11-minute featurette here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Cjfb4zFpM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Cjfb4zFpM)

The video features interviews with Takeshi Koike, Kanichi Kurita, and Daisuke Namikawa. There's also a lot of new footage. If that's something you wish to avoid then I wouldn't recommend watching it.

I got around 2 minutes in and decided to stop. I'd like to go in as fresh as possible, especially since the movie's only 52 minutes long.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on January 31, 2017, 12:20:31 pm
I watched the whole thing, though I did think twice about whether I wanted to see that much beforehand. But in the end I gathered nothing from these clips that I hadn't already figured out from the earlier clips and screenshots. This movie looks like tons of fun. There were lots of intriguing clips that I can't wait to see in their proper context, and it really does seem like Goemon is in the spotlight for real, not just in name only.
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Post by: Red Dear on January 31, 2017, 01:40:12 pm
I decided to go watch the video and didn't feel spoiled at all. I agree with VampireNaomi on this one.
It seems to me that the footage confirms that Lupin and Co will not directly interact with Goemon, only
watching him from a hideout. This would further confirm the spin-off movies do try to stay coherent
with the first series, since Lupin nor Jigen officially met Goemon before series one, in the anime "canon".

But that new movie would slightly alter our vision. It states that Lupin and Jigen already saw Goemon and
observed what he was capable about. And that would be their first reason to actually approach Goemon in the
green jacket series (Fujiko already knew Goemon from Mine Fujiko To Iu Onna).

I still think they are a few incoherences, but it is not the main interest from those spin-off movies.

And indeed, it really looks like Goemon is the actual protagonist, not in name only. ^^
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Post by: GATSU on January 31, 2017, 06:17:03 pm
You know, for a company trying to go out of its way to pretend it didn't hear fan suggestions, TMS still couldn't entirely avoid incorporating the Lupin vs. Golgo request.  ::)

Edit: I'm going to guess they hired some of the Sword of the Stranger, Afro Samurai, and/or Ninja Scroll animators for this gig. And it's pushing it, but maybe also Samurai Champloo?

Edit 2: Is it ok to admit that what really impressed me about the vid is that sequence of sword and scabbard sketches at around the 7 minute mark? 

Edit 3: RE: 7:34. Someone really liked Miyazaki's Laputa/Castle in the Sky.  ::)
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Post by: mikezilla2 on January 31, 2017, 07:49:45 pm
anyone able to get any proper subs for it ?
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on February 01, 2017, 02:30:28 pm
anyone able to get any proper subs for it ?

For the featurette or the movie? Either way the answer to both is probably a no.
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Post by: GATSU on February 02, 2017, 04:25:39 am
Via @JamesShimoji, the composer, samples of the upcoming OST (https://good-beat.com/album/lupin-goemon/), out on the 4th.
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Post by: GATSU on February 03, 2017, 01:41:40 pm
New director interview (http://animeanime.jp/article/2017/02/03/32414.html) with Google 'translation', for your displeasure.  :P Trying to avoid any spoilers, too.

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── Previous work "Woman named Fujiko Mine" was acting as a character design / drawing director. I think that the "LUPIN THE IIIRD" series is drawn to the original line of Professor Monkey Punch, but I also feel the dynamism like "REDLINE" "PARTY 7".

Takeshi Koike (hereinafter Koike)
Until "REDLINE" was conscious of the American comic, I was making a screen that makes the shadow black solid to add shadows. I was keen to make writer nature. But in the "LUPIN THE IIIRD" series we make it with the feeling that "I think that no matter who looks it is Lupine The Third. The consciousness of how to make is different.

── What role is Creative Advisor Ishii Katsuhito?

Koike
Should I say it as an image adviser or concept advisor ...... I got advice on how to show the character image of Gohon, the enemy character of Goemon, Goemon. The idea of crying, puzzled, embarrassing emotions of Goemon, the depiction...and expressions....Ishii-san's idea.

──Tags are assembled from the part related to the foundation of the work. It is said that the manner in which the drawn-out gate is crawling up seems to be gate gem. In the previous work, the dimension was overcome with buddy feeling with Lupine, but the gate is completely different.

Koike
As a matter of fact, Goemon is the enemy of Lupine. I have never worked together, and I'm rather aiming Lupine's head. So Lupine did not help the gates as in the dimension, but watched, there was no choice.

── The nuance of the character differs slightly between the original and the TV series. Which one would you like to bring?

Koike
Episodes where the gates are appearing in the original and first lupine, both situations and character settings are nearly as close as possible. There is a feeling that I am somewhat cheeky now, the current work is also approaching there. I made it by imagining the five gates after Five Lupine's stories.

─ ─ "LUPIN THE IIIRD" series was not only talk but also expressive as it was Lupine for adults it appeared everywhere. Especially depictions of scars are depicted up to the muscles and bones.

Koike
I thought that feeling of tension would not come if I did not depict the interaction of life, and the depiction that seemed painful seemed to be very painful (laugh). I could not remove the description of the cut surface in expressing sharpness due to the sharpness of the sword, Sword speed of the gate.

Please tell me the encounter with the monkey punch work.

Koike
It is time for a high school student. I was impressed by the coolness of being too cool by reading in a book or "cartoon action". It was cheerful because of the Western style which the Japanese was away from, and other visuals were very attractive. At that time, I was very careful how to put the atmosphere of Lupine of Mr. Monkey Punch who was impacted and the atmosphere of First Lupine of TV animation to this image.

─ ─ From that time I was attracted by American style paintings and Western style paintings.

Koike
You liked it. However, rather than reading the American cheeks, I liked the visuals.

─ ─ Do you like visuals with dynamic feeling?

Koike
There are also opportunities to enter this industry and work with overseas animators. One of them is Peter Chung, a creator who made the opening animation of "PARTY 7" together. His cheap picture is already stylish. On the other hand he is a fan of animation in Japan and he respects Masters / Kaneda Iko very much. I also heard that he adored Kaneda and started animation work. I love him as well as Kaneda-san, so there are times when I was working as if I could put both elements into myself. Ishii (Katsuhito) also liked animation and saw "Aeon flux", and he and I talked to Peter Chung during the planning of "PARTY 7".

──This is also Lupine, but after "PARTY 7" I have been with Dr. Ishii for a variety of work with Director Koike. That's a big work in that sense.

Koike
I agree.

── Please tell me if you have a favorite character, scenes that I enjoyed drawing with now.

Koike
There are many uncles this time (haha), because the characters' expressions are rich, I can draw with momentum. It was fun to draw. In group play, there were a lot of characters and it took us a lot of time, and as there were many characters, there were many scenes to draw with telephoto, but it was tough, but there were challenges. I want you to see the scenes of Goemon's swordsmanship...

── How do you feel about Ishikawa Goemon played by Namikawa Daisuke?

Koike
Just as Mr. Namikawa plays, it is perfect. Every take is wonderful. There were times when I placed orders several times, but there were many things like "It is different from the image but OK from OK".

── What kind of order actually was issued?

Koike
It was the first half that I got an atmosphere of immature gates. I asked them to put some feelings on the dialogue. In the second half I got astringent and sorrow. There is also a sense of accomplishment by opening the eyes. But since he is cutting a person, there is also a conflict that it is out of the way of people. Always question yourself whether it is good or bad.

─ ─ "Lupine the 3rd" is animated by various people. Why do you think that is loved so far for so long?

Koike
I think that it is the charm of a character. It is a relationship of adults who do not stick to the relationship of Lupine, dimension, Goemon, Fujiko. It is mature that "friendship is important" or "trust" is not said. I want to cherish the world of adult animation that I had a glimpse at Lupine when I was a child. I think that there is the most appealing of this work.

─ ─ Finally, please give another point of sight of this work.

Koike
This time I took a spot on Goemon. The highlight is swordsmaking after all! And I think that I could carefully make psychological depictions in which the gate gate creeps up and creeps up. Please do watch it at the theater.

Edit: BTW, Party 7 is a live-action film, which is why I was confused about not finding it on ANN, even though it was described as such on Wikipedia.  :-[ Oh, well.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on February 05, 2017, 12:24:41 pm
Here's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO6r5AVN_vQ) an older video I hadn't seen until now.

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Post by: Rhys2753 on February 06, 2017, 10:31:49 am
Spiler filled review [WARNING: SPOILERS]

http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/02/07/000024?utm_campaign=ANN (http://www.anime-now.com/entry/2017/02/07/000024?utm_campaign=ANN)

I caved and read it, no mention of a Fujiko vs. Robot type scene so that should be a plus for some, but it sounds SO BAD ASS  I can't wait to see it. PLEASE DISCOTEK PLEASE!!
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Post by: GATSU on February 09, 2017, 10:35:03 am
An early look (https://twitter.com/HMV_Anime/status/829594620103315457) at the art and specs for the Japanese Blu-Ray.
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Post by: Lupus Zeniga on February 15, 2017, 01:06:16 am
Has anyone seen this yet? How did they find it?
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on February 15, 2017, 08:18:58 pm
Has anyone seen this yet? How did they find it?
It won't be released on Blu-Ray/DVD in Japan until May 26th, so I doubt there'll be any fansubs online until then.

I've still got my fingers crossed for a licensing announcement from Discotek sometime soon.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on February 21, 2017, 09:34:16 am
Have there been any reports yet of how this is doing and selling tickets? Has it been well received in Japan?
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on February 21, 2017, 11:55:51 am
Actually you can buy the Blu-Ray in the movie theater as long as you purchase a ticket for the movie. But after it leaves theaters you won't be able to get it until the official release in May.
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Post by: GATSU on February 22, 2017, 03:14:52 am
There are probably exclusive perks in buying the theater version of the film, too, huh?
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on February 22, 2017, 09:29:16 am
Not 100% sure. I do know that the theater version includes the sleeve that the Limited Edition has at least.

Have there been any reports yet of how this is doing and selling tickets? Has it been well received in Japan?

It appears to have been popular enough that they expanded it according to:
http://goemon170204.tumblr.com/post/156882164834/lupin-the-%E2%85%A2rd-%E8%A1%80%E7%85%99%E3%81%AE%E7%9F%B3%E5%B7%9D%E4%BA%94%E3%82%A7%E9%96%80%E5%A5%BD%E8%A9%95%E3%81%AB%E3%81%A4%E3%81%8D%E4%B8%8A%E6%98%A0%E5%8A%87%E5%A0%B4%E3%81%AE%E6%8B%A1%E5%A4%A7%E3%81%8C%E6%B1%BA%E5%AE%9A
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on March 20, 2017, 06:44:38 pm
I've seen the subtitle-less version of the movie that's been recently made available online. It was quite easy to follow, but I still want to see a translation of the dialogue to fully appreciate it. Hopefully, Discotek will make an announcement sometime soon because I will buy this Blu Ray in a heartbeat. The movie is pretty awesome IMO. The artwork and animation are incredible, as expected. Once again, James Shimoji's musical score is top-notch. I really dug his theme for The Bermuda Spectre (It's track 8 if you want to hear a sample: https://good-beat.com/album/lupin-goemon/ (https://good-beat.com/album/lupin-goemon/)).

It's a fairly simple plot without subtitles, but there's a few scenes with quite a bit of dialogue and I'm looking forward to fully understand what's going on. I won't go into much detail, but the final battle scenes are spectacular and incredibly brutal. I honestly can't stress the brutal aspect of it enough. This is the most violent thing I've seen in the Lupin series. It might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I enjoyed it quite a bit.

I don't think these are heavy spoilers, but I'll mark them as so anyway...

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and

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All in all, I was very pleased with what I saw and I can't wait to see the whole version of the film in the future. I'm looking forward to seeing what everyone else thinks about it.
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Post by: Red Dear on March 20, 2017, 07:01:12 pm
Like you, Red Jacket, I watched the raw version of the movie and like you I really liked it overall though I regretted it the lack of after-credit scene or Mamo cameo. But apart from that, I really liked it and it is more deserving of the title of Goemon-centered story than Jigen's gravestone was. Goemon isn't the only focus but is certainly the most promiment. Hawk alias the Bermuda Specter us terrifying and fun at the same time ! The gang is very interesting in their interactions. I just regretted that Fujiko isn't in the movie for very long and her role isn't very instrumental. Zenigata was great while being very subdued. He was in serious efficient mode but he was good in that role for that universe. The story is fairly simple but is also a bit more unique than I would have thought. Goemon had his share of adversaries and rivals but this is the first time we get to see him in a really tough time. The poor guy is really distraught by that living montain that is The Bermuda Specter.

Also, I love how the Bermuda Specter is the embodiement of everything american in terms of stature and attitude while Goemon is the epitome of old Japan. But Goemon also fights the other remnant of Japan's feodal days; the Yakuza. So in a way it's Goemon facing his heritage and place in his culture.

I really hope Koike, the producers and Studio Telecom will continue making those spin-off movies in the near future. And I hope the next one will be about Zenigata. If we count the Mine Fujiko series, he is the only one not to have a spin-off movie yet. ^^
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on March 20, 2017, 08:21:02 pm
I agree with your point about Fujiko, Red Dear. Her role in Jigen's Gravestone and more so in this movie has been a little lackluster. As far as I'm concerned, it's the only weakness of both films that stands out to me. She had some good moments in the Woman Called Fujiko Mine series, but she hasn't really shined in the spin-off movies like the other characters have. I wouldn't be opposed to her getting one of these 50-minute movies from Koike, but I doubt that'll happen.

I also agree that the Bermuda Spectre was terrifying, fun and very badass. I can't wait to see what kind of villain Zenigata's going to face in his movie.
Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: mikezilla2 on March 20, 2017, 08:43:16 pm
going to watch it when somone makes throws a script out in the open
Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Red Dear on March 21, 2017, 02:13:34 pm
I agree with your point about Fujiko, Red Dear. Her role in Jigen's Gravestone and more so in this movie has been a little lackluster. As far as I'm concerned, it's the only weakness of both films that stands out to me. She had some good moments in the Woman Called Fujiko Mine series, but she hasn't really shined in the spin-off movies like the other characters have. I wouldn't be opposed to her getting one of these 50-minute movies from Koike, but I doubt that'll happen.

I also agree that the Bermuda Spectre was terrifying, fun and very badass. I can't wait to see what kind of villain Zenigata's going to face in his movie.

Fujiko had a more important place in the plot of Jigen's Gravestone. And even if the "Rape Robot" scene has been the subject of heavy controversy on the internet, Fujiko's role didn't stop at that and she still managed to be proactive and got her due in the end. In "Chikemuri", she seems to simply leave. Her bong and massage scene was funny however and gave us a glimpse of her relationship with Lupin and Jigen during calmer moments. ^^

I think another movie dedicated to her wouldn't be superfluous but I also doubt they will do that. My money is on a Zenigata spin-off movie. It makes sense with the recent live action drama series and the fact Zenigata's subplot has been building up since Jigen's Gravestone.
Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Rhys2753 on March 22, 2017, 01:21:46 pm
I couldn't resist and watched the RAW too. That was BAD ASS.
I absolutely loved Goemon's "Blood Ballet" that scene was beautiful and the music was perfect. Certainly was brutal, but not too brutal, at least for me. Can't wait to watch it again subbed, and praying that Discotek gets it, and dubs it on BD. Day 1 purchase for sure if so.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on March 30, 2017, 11:51:39 am
My money is on a Zenigata spin-off movie. It makes sense with the recent live action drama series and the fact Zenigata's subplot has been building up since Jigen's Gravestone.

Given that Zenigata's still in the Metropolitan Police department (as shown in the picture below), I'm curious if we'll see what causes him to join the ICPO in his spin-off movie.

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I did not like the portrayal of his character in episode 4 of The Woman Called Fujiko Mine. It's kind of annoying because, outside of some sleazy character moments in that particular episode, I actually like the hard-boiled version that we see of him throughout the rest of the series.

It found out through these forums that there's a different writer on these spin-off movies, which definitely gives me some hope for the character. I really like Koike's character design of him and I liked his presence in the Goemon movie. Hopefully, these spin-off movies give us a bit more of the honorable Zenigata mixed in with this current version. He can be as dead serious and hard-boiled as possible, that doesn't bother me. I just don't want him to be a dirty cop.

Did I mention he looks freakin' cool? Because he looks freakin' cool.

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Post by: VampireNaomi on April 22, 2017, 10:25:17 am
I watched it as well. It looked amazing and it was really a joy to see the animation and the colours, but other than that, I'm not really a fan. I find it such a shame that

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The first half was pretty good, but I feel that things fell apart in the second and that events began happening not because it was sensible but because the creators thought it was cool and wanted them to happen. There were a lot of things that just didn't add up in my opinion. The movie should have been longer, but maybe they will get back to some of these elements in the next one. I wonder if there's any chance that

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Still, I'll definitely buy this if it gets a western release. Not the worst in the franchise, but I expected more.
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Post by: DrFurball on April 23, 2017, 12:51:55 am
I watched it as well. It looked amazing and it was really a joy to see the animation and the colours, but other than that, I'm not really a fan. I find it such a shame that

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The first half was pretty good, but I feel that things fell apart in the second and that events began happening not because it was sensible but because the creators thought it was cool and wanted them to happen. There were a lot of things that just didn't add up in my opinion. The movie should have been longer, but maybe they will get back to some of these elements in the next one. I wonder if there's any chance that

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Still, I'll definitely buy this if it gets a western release. Not the worst in the franchise, but I expected more.
I think I enjoyed it more than you did, but I definitely agree on your complaints. I'd also argue that the premise felt a little like a rehash of "Gravestone" with the whole "character fails to protect their employer, and is now on the run from the killer after losing a fight to them" thing.
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That said, it certainly wasn't a bad movie. I still enjoyed it immensely. The fights were awesome (especially Goemon disarming the Yakuza), there was no uncomfortable drill-robot type of scene like in "Gravestone", and Zenigata was great. I really like this no-nonsense take on the character (I burst out laughing when he backhanded Lupin for making fun of his age). And the Bermuda Ghost, like Yael Okuzaki before him, was a great villain! He was charming and cool, and he seemed almost friendly, all things considered. And what was up with the little girl that gave him his assignment? Lots of questions about this guy.

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As far as the timeline thing goes, this definitely throws a wrench into my headcanon. I felt that "Gravestone" worked best as a bridge between TWCFM and Part I, particularly in how it establishes the friendship between the two title characters that'd we see throughout Part I. But this one takes place immediately after "Gravestone", and has the whole gang established, but Zenigata still with Tokyo Metro. I don't know what to think now.

TL;DR- Movie flawed, but good. Doesn't fit my timeline. Cool villain.
Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on April 23, 2017, 02:58:50 am

I think I enjoyed it more than you did, but I definitely agree on your complaints. I'd also argue that the premise felt a little like a rehash of "Gravestone" with the whole "character fails to protect their employer, and is now on the run from the killer after losing a fight to them" thing.
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I'm very interested to see how the events of this movie will impact the next one. To be more specific:

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As far as Goemon's characterization goes:

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I'm still hoping for a good fansub or legitimate release sometime soon. I saw that there was a fansub available, but if I understand correctly, it appears that it's English translation of a Russian translation of the original Japanese. I might wait until a more professional fansub is released, or, preferably, an official Blu Ray.
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Post by: Red Dear on April 23, 2017, 10:58:01 am
I don't really agree with VampireNaomi's criticism but I do agree that "Chikemuri"
follows a very similar canvas to "Bohyou": a character fails to protect someone from the
"villain du jour" and suffers a first defeat at his own game (gunslinging for Jigen, sword fight for
Goemon) and Lupin serves as a cathalist. The two movies even have a scene where the villain
eats bit chunks of food !

But structural similarities don't bother me when it's not completely the same.

Of course Goemon can appear stilted and distant. At this point in his relationship with the gang, he isn't their
regular partner. He does say to Hawk that when it comes to killing Lupin, he can do it himself. But the viewer can't
deny that Goemon is the one who evolves the most in the movie (which is why he is the protagonist). He starts off as being
pretty confident, to the point of underestimating his adversary and being defeated, something this version of Goemon doesn't seem used to.

And that is why he is exposing himself to this harsh training, to try to regain what he lost while getting rid of his over-confidence, of his fears (the reason
why he finally gets the upper hand over Hawk is that Hawk started to act on emotions while Goemon found inner peace).

And how can we say that Goemon is still stoic and distant when you really watched the ending ? He smiles at Lupin's remark, he protects him and Goemon
from Zenigata, returning the favour. Goemon has grown to appreciate Lupin's respect of the ancient rules while helping him as well. That's a big step !

And on the topic of Lupin and Jigen's presence in the second half, it is linked to what I said before, the respect of one's path and journey. It provides also a point of view for the audiance. You can ask me "why didn't they use Goemon's point of view ?" well for starters they did for many scenes and second, during the training part, we need an outside spectator to feel the puzzling and disturbing nature of Goemon's failures. Plus, Lupin and Jigen are clearely intrigued by Goemon's skills and personality and Lupin sees the potential in him.

To me, really, this movie is showing something more than the Jigen one while telling more or less the same things, but that's not a problem. Originality is not a quality in itself.

As for the wounds, yeah they are pretty severe and Goemon could still have scars, but cartoon characters do recover better than us. XD
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Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Shin Lupin Sansei on May 27, 2017, 07:10:38 pm
Took the plunge and watched that Russia to English translation. Some odd Engrish moments for sure but mostly watchable. One question:

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If not the my thoughts are that while we don't have an exact chronology of the recent non-Blue Jacket anime TWCFM could fit before Tomb of Jigen which could also easily fit right before Goemon's film and I have a feeling that the instigator of this film's events likely connect to the cameo at the end of Tomb of Jigen and this is a build up to something in the next (Zenigata?) film...
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Post by: Lupus Zeniga on May 28, 2017, 03:27:36 am
Took the plunge and watched that Russia to English translation. Some odd Engrish moments for sure but mostly watchable. One question:

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Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on May 28, 2017, 11:17:27 am
Took the plunge and watched that Russia to English translation. Some odd Engrish moments for sure but mostly watchable. One question:

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Title: Re: Goemon gets the dark and gritty treatment in Jigen's Gravestone sequel.
Post by: Shin Lupin Sansei on May 28, 2017, 11:41:54 pm
Cool thanks. I had the feeling that was the case but either missed it because of the odd translation or maybe I just wasn't paying attention, lol. Now come on DT pick this up and give us a cool LE with those awesome stand posters that RUN'A released in Japan....yeah...never gonna happen but I can hope, lol....
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Post by: Lupin46 on October 07, 2017, 07:27:56 pm
Any word of this movie getting licensed? The blu-ray came out in May of this year in Japan and we haven't heard anything since then. I guess the only likely publisher to license it would be Discotek, though they have their hands full with a lot of other Lupin properties at the moment.