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Lupin the Third => General Discussion, News, etc. => Topic started by: GATSU on October 02, 2009, 09:15:37 pm

Title: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on October 02, 2009, 09:15:37 pm
First Contact, according to AOD.

Source: http://www.discotekmedia.com/blog/?p=28
Title: Re: Discotek picks up new Lupin special
Post by: mizducky on October 02, 2009, 10:26:02 pm
Details, man. we need details.

I mean, you didn't even provide a link this time. Why drop this tantalizing tidbit just in a vacuum? I for one am already foaming at the mouth at the idea of being able to get a nice clean commercial-level copy of Episode 0 ... and now I may have to go bite something or someone in frustration. ArrrrrroooOOOOO!!!  :P

Edited to add: Okay, so I did some Google magic and found the essential link: this is the blog posting on Discotek Media's website announcing that Episode 0: First Contact is going to be one of their 2010 releases, along with such other goodies as Fist of the North Star TV Series 1-152.

http://www.discotekmedia.com/blog/?p=28 (http://www.discotekmedia.com/blog/?p=28)

I was not previously familiar with Discotek, but they sound like a hell of an interesting outfit -- quoting from their "About Us" page:

Quote
Discotek Media was started by two diehard cult, Asian, and anime film fans with the intent to license and distribute some of the titles that are in desperate need of a good release, along with some of the latest films from Japan and elsewhere. We will be licensing and releasing titles for all of North America.

Right on!
Title: Re: Discotek picks up new Lupin special
Post by: GATSU on October 02, 2009, 10:39:29 pm
The official site says it's out in 2010.
Title: Re: Discotek picks up new Lupin special
Post by: mizducky on October 02, 2009, 10:42:37 pm
The official site says it's out in 2010.
Ummmm ... see my edited post above for the kind of detail I was craving, and which I supplied.   ;D

Might I be so bold as to suggest to this board that folks go follow the above link to Discotek's blog, and express their gratitude for this Lupin release. (I just did so, but they moderate their blog comments so my comment isn't live yet.)
Title: Re: Discotek picks up new Lupin special
Post by: GATSU on October 02, 2009, 11:23:00 pm
Link (http://www.discotekmedia.com/blog/?p=28).
Title: Re: Discotek picks up new Lupin special
Post by: Reed on October 02, 2009, 11:38:57 pm
Made a post on the front page (http://www.lupinthethird.com) about the news.

Didn't know about this one in advance, guys. Renaming and stickying thread.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 02, 2009, 11:51:08 pm
I wonder if those alleged Conan European licensing issues will apply here. Considering FUNi's still releasing movies of the latter anime, they might pick that one, just to be consistent. But this makes me think how expensive Babylon can really be, if a more recent title like FC ends up getting released in its place.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 03, 2009, 12:01:41 am
Wow, this is awesome news! One of my favorite specials, this is great. 'Bout time.

I hope this means they will release some more Lupin specials later on. Give me an inch and I want more Lupin, as they say. ;D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: MGFanJay on October 03, 2009, 12:46:52 am
Let's see...they don't release Babylon, but instead will release First Contact... Damn. Talk about an upgrade! I didn't expect anymore TV specials/films released after the relative failure of the series in the U.S., so any release is a nice surprise - this is a MASSIVELY pleasing one. I also like that this news came out mere days after the newest Lupin the Show - perfect timing!
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 03, 2009, 01:41:13 am
Lemme guess, though. Sub-only release, right? 
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 03, 2009, 02:33:25 am
Lemme guess, though. Sub-only release, right? 

I think First Contact will probably have a dub, their release of Fuma had one.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 03, 2009, 06:05:54 am
Their Fuma dub was made back in 1994 by another company.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 03, 2009, 06:09:21 am
Their Fuma dub was made back in 1994 by another company.

Ah, that explains that, I haven't listened to the dub. I have the Animeigo DVD too, so it's weird that I didn't know that. ;D I know Discotek is a smaller company, but it would seem odd not to dub this. It's a shiny newish anime and all, it would probably go down more smoothly with the mainstream.

I'll buy it either way though, naturally. Great news.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: angelidollinda on October 03, 2009, 06:39:44 pm
f they are going to dub this, I wonder what cast they're going to scrape together for it? Or do you think it'll be a sub-only release like Animego and Babylon when that came out on laser disc?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: mizducky on October 03, 2009, 06:46:54 pm
My very strong suspicion is that this is going to be sub-only. To judge from the "About Us" page for Discotek, this is a little labor-of-love company that apparently buys up licenses for properties that haven't been brought to North America yet. I can't imagine they have any budget for hiring a bunch of voice-actors and dub-script writers and engineer and director and studio time and etc.

Besides, listening to the Japanese voice-actors is fun!  ;D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Meitantei Zenigata on October 03, 2009, 06:54:42 pm
I've always wondered why Animeigo dubbed Fuma but not Babylon, and I don't see why Discoteck wouldn't bother to dub Babylon or Episode 0. If they already have the license, they should make the most of it.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: angelidollinda on October 03, 2009, 07:00:29 pm
My very strong suspicion is that this is going to be sub-only. To judge from the "About Us" page for Discotek, this is a little labor-of-love company that apparently buys up licenses for properties that haven't been brought to North America yet. I can't imagine they have any budget for hiring a bunch of voice-actors and dub-script writers and engineer and director and studio time and etc.

Besides, listening to the Japanese voice-actors is fun!  ;D

This is true! :D

Although it would be a treat to have the Geneon cast provide the dub for this special (even though that'll sadly never happen...).
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 03, 2009, 07:51:06 pm
Zenigata: I'm guessing they didn't dub Babylon, 'cus they probably thought it looked so old that only Lupin fans would go for it, anyway.

Now that I think about it, though, I'm surprised it didn't get licensed sooner. If it's a "prequel", it would have helped sell the series in general better to newbies. But then the same could be said for series 1, which probably would have been less of a risk, financially, since it's shorter than series 2.

I can't comment on Luis's opinion of Ep 0's greatness (http://www.lupinencyclopedia.com/news/anime), since I've only seen it spliced into Youtube AMVs, but I doubt that if it bombs, it'll never come back. That's not to say I want it to fail, but for a "niche" series, this sucker's outlasted newer anime and manga than it, in terms of volumes and episode counts. The real problem has always been that the only Lupin which has gotten mass-exposure here is the second show, which is also one of the older-looking ones. If, say, Walther or $1 Dollar Money Wars aired on AS, as FUNi once intended, we wouldn't be worried about Lupin's chances of success here. Yeah, St. Seiya did make CN, and it's still a failure, anime-wise; but that's 'cus it looks like shit. Lupin, though, is like Shin-Chan, in that there're many different styles of it out there; and this hasn't been emphasized enough here. Hell, when Lasseter mentioned Cagliostro @ that Miyazaki thing, it was totally quiet there. It probably did better here than usual, by R1 Lupin standards, but it's not actually helped Lupin sell better with casual fans enough. So I'm hoping that the "0" will help establish the character better with newbies, and maybe expand interest in the series here. 
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 03, 2009, 09:08:04 pm
I've always wondered why Animeigo dubbed Fuma but not Babylon, and I don't see why Discoteck wouldn't bother to dub Babylon or Episode 0. If they already have the license, they should make the most of it.

Simple Cost vs. Benefit analysis.

Babylon looks crazy, as GATSU pointed out - I mean, just look at any video cover ever done for it. It barely looks like an anime, much less a good one. "Fuma" looks more like something Miyazaki would have made. Fuma is obviously more mainstream. Easier to market. Usually, you can make your money back easier if you're selling to a wider audience.

And dubbing costs money. Just to give you an idea, it's often been said that a TV episode of any given anime series costs, on average, $10,000 US to dub. Now, that figure will vary depending on if it's union (which is more expensive) or non-union (Part II TV's dub, for instance, was union. "Fuma's" was not).  Dubbing studio, quality, ad actors used are also factors. But that's just 22 minutes of English dialogue. For $10K. So, if you average that out to a 100-minute movie... that's roughly $50,000 just to dub a movie into English with any modicum of quality.

Now, if Babylon were only going to sell less than 1,000 copies-- odds are good they won't make that money back.

First Contact probably deserves an English dub, preferably one of quality. But if it's coming down to cost vs. benefit, I'd rather have both a professional subtitled translation and and extra or two and a disc in a case than a bad English dub and a Lupin-releasing company in the red.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Fujikogirl23 on October 03, 2009, 09:17:00 pm
Wow! This IS good news!  :D

And I thought a company like Funi was going to get this, but they've abandoned the Lupin series a while back so that's not a surprise. But, that's cool! Me, I don't care if it's subbed or not; being that I have it on DVD in raw footage and I've watched it so much subbed and unsubbed that I almost know every scene by heart. Plus, I'm used to listening to this special w/ the original voice cast. As someone said earlier, yes, it is fun to hear the Japanese voices.^^
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: gothichyppie on October 04, 2009, 05:08:27 pm
The bootleg copy that I have includes tv spots with Jigen/Kiyoshi Kobayashi narrating *melts*, plus some concept art, which is cool but the feature itself loads whenever it changes chapter, it's a bit annoying. I hope this news is serious, I may consider rebuying it and hopefully Legend Of The Gold Of Babylon as well, dammit, that's the only theatrical movie I'm missing!  >:(
And I couldn't care less about dubbing!

Mizducky, I love your avatar! I remember pausing that frame when I watched GvsR! Hahah, what a badass! ;P
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: mizducky on October 04, 2009, 06:40:45 pm
The bootleg copy that I have includes tv spots with Jigen/Kiyoshi Kobayashi narrating *melts*, plus some concept art, which is cool but the feature itself loads whenever it changes chapter, it's a bit annoying. I hope this news is serious, I may consider rebuying it and hopefully Legend Of The Gold Of Babylon as well, dammit, that's the only theatrical movie I'm messing!  >:(
And I couldn't care less about dubbing!

Mizducky, I love your avatar! I remember pausing that frame when I watched GvsR! Hahah, what a badass! ;P
I had one of those bootleg copies ... *glyph of guilt here* ... but I watched the damn thing so many times I actually managed to wear out the cheapass CDRW they'd burned it onto.  :P Which is one of the many reasons why I look forward to this official release--non-crap media.  ;)

P.S. Glad you dig that avvie pic ... I always felt that Jigen could be a really freakin' scary guy if you found yourself nose-to-gun with the dude, and this is one of the few images I've seen that really captures his full scary potential.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on October 05, 2009, 12:48:05 am
First Contact was okay but didn't really blow me away.  Nonetheless, it's Lupin, it's going to be on R1 DVD, so it's all good.  I'll take one please!

As for FotNS, I initially thought the pickup was rather risky for such a small company (152 episodes of vintage '80s anime, lol...), but considering how there's already an existing dub and subtitle script which could possibly be acquired for a reasonable price, this might actually turn out to be a pretty shrewd move.  Hopefully it all works out, 'cause I certainly want to see more Lupin, hell, more of ANYTHING out of Discotek.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 05, 2009, 03:36:29 am
RedTail: I'm guessing that, with Fist: 1) Discotek is hoping the people watching it legally and free on Crunchyroll and FUNimation might like it enough to buy the dvds; 2) The re-release of the movie did well enough for the company to justify giving the original show a shot; and 3) Toei sold that sucker in bulk, due to its age, so it's actually cheaper than more modern shows at a fraction of that length. If the Lupin shows could get that kind of legal streaming online, there might be a chance for a real revival of that franchise. But I'm wondering if, say, DT hypothetically got Shin Lupin, would they also be able to pick up the entire Geneon dub for it, including the second half of the series? Or would that cost extra?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on October 05, 2009, 09:00:44 pm
I would help them dub this movie with spare time, for free. This is the greatest Lupin news in a while, and it's been dead for a long time. Glad to see Lupin finally making some new progress in the states and, I hope it goes well.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: rpguidry on October 06, 2009, 12:41:48 am
This is good news.  At least its something new that's coming to America.  Sure in an ideal world we have the Geneon cast re-unite to dub this Tv special (Well for me anyway your ideal world deal may differ), but at least it shows that some companies believe Lupin can turn a profit in the current market. 

I'm assuming many of the people here will probably buy this when it comes out, maybe we should try to get grass roots campaign going to show support.  One idea is for everyone who buys this to send a copy of the receipt back to Discotek as show of support (Supposedly one letter\receipt sent in would represent x amount of people who bought the DVD, but didn't bother to send anything in).  We may be a smaller audience, but from what I can tell we seem to be dedicated.  Any thoughts or ideas about this?

Hopefully this will encourage some people to try Lupin and help stimulate the otherwise stagnant fanbase we have here in the U.S.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 07, 2009, 07:13:52 am
I'm not sure what's going on in here. ;D

I do agree with a thing you said in the earlier post though Gatsu, I don't think Lupin is responsible for Geneon going under.

I think in general in topics like this we jump to conclusions. We can assume a license cost is too high or is low, we can assume a company broke even on an investment or didn't. We don't really know for sure, etc.

Me, I assume that Lupin hasn't been a great seller, but I think the odds are it sells better than a lot of other anime out there on shelves.

And indeed, we might as well be optimistic about the future of Lupin in Region 1, since we got some good news here with this licensing. :)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 07, 2009, 08:28:04 am
PK: That's exactly what I've been saying all this time! People(even fans) seriously underestimate Lupin's business here, but seem to forget that it was only available domestically on 3-5 tapes just 15 years ago. Yeah, it could be bigger, but that's still a pretty good growth rate for a show which has to compete with anime and manga catering to a younger audience.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 07, 2009, 10:44:33 am
I will say, I don't think that anime needs to be on TV in America to be a success here. Only a relative handful of anime shows are on TV, and more than that small group have sold well here.

And some, like say Cowboy Bebop and Trigun, were successful even before they ended up on Adult Swim. A lot of times a show is put on Adult Swim because it's popular already, like Death Note.

Having it on TV is certainly the best thing though, and it'd be nice to have Lupin back on.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on October 08, 2009, 01:16:21 am
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o285/reptltd/keyboardhead.gif)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on October 08, 2009, 04:11:47 am
This new Lupin release since 2006 is going to kick ass!
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 08, 2009, 02:51:09 pm
I just wanted to thank ultimateemail5000 for trying his best to be Mr Positive in a see of trolls and troll food. And, valiant efforts on both Luis' and Geist's parts.
This new Lupin release since 2006 is going to kick ass!
By the way, there was a Lupin DVD released in 2007: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/qD1gPuY-uuSvJfAMjs/browse/item/75696/4/0/0
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 08, 2009, 03:43:32 pm
Indeed, positive is good. 8)

Speculation time, when in 2010 do you folks think this DVD will be released? I'll guess... July or August.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Jo on October 08, 2009, 08:36:51 pm
Huzzah. Nice to see we're still getting licensed Lupin here. Unfortunately I already own EP: 0, and probably won't pick it up if it's sub only (and considering all that's been said in this thread, it probably won't be dubbed). Or hey, maybe I might. I should be a good fan and own two copies.

And there's so much I want to reply to in this thread, but my foruming skills are rusty and I can't really be bothered to crop giant walls of text.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on October 09, 2009, 03:14:20 am
I just wanted to thank ultimateemail5000 for trying his best to be Mr Positive in a see of trolls and troll food. And, valiant efforts on both Luis' and Geist's parts.
This new Lupin release since 2006 is going to kick ass!
By the way, there was a Lupin DVD released in 2007: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/qD1gPuY-uuSvJfAMjs/browse/item/75696/4/0/0

I honestly have to say, I litterly(in online terms) "lmao'd" hard when you replied to what I had to say. But now that I you updated it, I completely forgot about the Fuma release. So I am wrong, but all I could remember was Pioneer releasing their last DVD, and nothing else. Still can't though for this release, forget what the argument is about, the release is all I want.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 09, 2009, 12:38:21 pm
Hopefully the DVD cover ends up better than this one:

(click to show/hide)

Edgar. :D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 09, 2009, 01:06:59 pm
Oh yeah, "Edgar"...  that's how it aired in France thanks to legal reasons. I think there's one or two movies that were released as "Lupin III."

I don't think the cover art is bad at all, though. Except maybe all the text and junk at the bottom.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 09, 2009, 01:15:24 pm
The art is awesome, that's true. That wacky Edgar though. ;D

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Fujikogirl23 on October 09, 2009, 05:41:19 pm
(click to show/hide)

Oh yeah, "Edgar"...  that's how it aired in France thanks to legal reasons. I think there's one or two movies that were released as "Lupin III."

I think the reason they've been calling him Lupin the 3rd in other countries now is because the copyright for his name usage has been expired as of now. So now everyone in every region can finally call him by his true original name. :)

And, thank goodness, things have calmed down here. It was really heated up to the point that I wanted to stay away from this topic for a while. I'm glad that's over with.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Fujiko Lover on October 09, 2009, 10:34:16 pm
See: RedTail's gif.

I can't!  It's not there anymore!!  I missed it!!!

(Also, this is some pretty exciting news about this special being released over here.)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 10, 2009, 03:42:24 am
See: RedTail's gif.

I can't!  It's not there anymore!!  I missed it!!!

It was that animated GIF of the guy typing manically on his keyboard until his arms became bloody stubs and then pounding his face on the keyboard until his eyes and features flew out of his head. In the end, he's left a red-coated pulp with 4 holes in what is left of his face. It's cartoony but gruesome. It's been around a long time.

On-topic, I'm happy to report that I'll be once again contributing to Discotek latest Lupin DVD release. Not many details to share just yet, but I imagine you can expect something along the lines of the last disc or two. Sorry, still no word on if an English dub is planned (I tried!).
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 10, 2009, 08:17:54 am
Lupin: So are you gonna point out on the commentary how Ep.0's not really canon with the manga, or something like that?  ;D You should slap the trailers for the other Lupin movies from DT as extras, too. As for the dub, or lack thereof, maybe you can just hire those William Winkler peeps (http://www.williamwincklerproductions.com/)? They might be cheap enough, if Toei's using them, cus that company loves cutting corners.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 10, 2009, 12:15:39 pm
On-topic, I'm happy to report that I'll be once again contributing to Discotek latest Lupin DVD release. Not many details to share just yet, but I imagine you can expect something along the lines of the last disc or two. Sorry, still no word on if an English dub is planned (I tried!).

Very cool. 8)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Fujiko Lover on October 10, 2009, 02:33:27 pm
See: RedTail's gif.

I can't!  It's not there anymore!!  I missed it!!!

It was that animated GIF of the guy typing manically on his keyboard until his arms became bloody stubs and then pounding his face on the keyboard until his eyes and features flew out of his head. In the end, he's left a red-coated pulp with 4 holes in what is left of his face. It's cartoony but gruesome. It's been around a long time.

Oh yeah, I remember that thing.  In fact, I think I have it saved on my computer for emergencies.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Jd- on October 11, 2009, 01:06:36 am
I'm excited for this, at least. Subbed-only or not, anyone that can should definitely give this a buy. If subbed-only is the only way for us to get Lupin domestically, we should at least embrace it instead of holding out for the rest of all timez.

I'm just surprised FUNi's taking a chance on even Conan at this point, to be honest.

To note, FUNi is highly unlikely to do any further Conan. Their dubs of these last few movies they're releasing this winter were recorded during the initial run (aka, 3-4 years ago). They've only just now sorted out the release.

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: angelidollinda on October 11, 2009, 02:09:56 am
Hopefully if enough people purchase Episode 0, then it might spark some interest in Discotek to purchase other Lupin specials... or even the entire second Lupin series! Even if it'll be subs-only, it would be a treat to have the whole second series on R1 DVD (that isn't a really awful bootleg "unofficial" set).
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 11, 2009, 06:37:15 pm
I just want to say, I think angelidollinda is right. This has become the Gatsu vs. Geist topic, so we should try to keep it on the Episode 0 topic.

The Episode 0 DVD is gonna be awesome. 8)

What title do you guys think they'll go with? I'll assume Lupin the 3rd rather than Lupin III or Lupin the Third, since they used 3rd on the Fuma DVD. And they'll probably call it Episode 0: First Contact, although it's possible they'd call it just Lupin the 3rd: Episode 0 or Lupin the 3rd: First Contact.

Lupin the 3rd: Episode 0: First Contact. Is it okay for a title to have two colons? ;D

Although on their blog they listed it as "Lupin the Third Episode 0 First Contact".
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 11, 2009, 06:52:48 pm
PK: Personally, I'd emphasize the sub-title first, and the Lupin second, but that might not fly with TMS.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: angelidollinda on October 12, 2009, 12:52:08 am
I just thought of this: Let's say the sale of Episode 0 are successful and Discotek is interested in purchasing another Lupin special or OAV. Which one would you guys like to see them release next?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Southern_Belle on October 12, 2009, 01:02:17 am
Either Stolen Lupin or Operation: Return the Treasure. Both have pretty fluid animation and are great fun.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Fujikogirl23 on October 12, 2009, 01:04:03 am
Definitely Return the Treasures!  ;D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 12, 2009, 01:46:34 am
I just thought of this: Let's say the sale of Episode 0 are successful and Discotek is interested in purchasing another Lupin special or OAV. Which one would you guys like to see them release next?

Good question. 8) I'd go for Alcatraz Connection from 2001, since that'd be the one missing between Funimation's releases and this 2002 Episode 0. Plus I really like that one too. After that ideally all of them in order from there, like Return the Treasures, but I'm especially a big fan of Angel's Tactics.

So... those would be my top three. I also really enjoyed Sweet Lost Night which I just watched, very fluid animation too.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Geist_MD on October 12, 2009, 03:43:15 am
In the interest of cool nicethings, I'm just gonna ignore whatcha said, Gatsby, and go on about da biz. Protip, though? Do not mock a mod's ability to mod.

First up!
I just thought of this: Let's say the sale of Episode 0 are successful and Discotek is interested in purchasing another Lupin special or OAV. Which one would you guys like to see them release next?

Diggity Davis is Diggity Down for Green vs Red translated. While we're blue-skying? Dick Epcar as Jigen and everyone else from the Streamline dub filling the others. Awwws yeah.

Stolen Lupin has less groanworthy moments than Op: R the T's, but the latter's got some swooky action pieces, so I'm not sure. I was all about Op: R the T's until they introduced the beta girl. Nitpicking aside, yeah, I could dig on either of 'em being picked up.

Specials of recent memory to avoid? Noncommital awards go to The Elusive Fog, Angel's Tactics, and Sweet Lost Night all do some things right, but they're too inconsistent in quality to really bother.  Massive Hatred Award, however, gets awarded to Lupin v Conan. It's a boring mess of a show that I skimmed at best and fell asleep during at worst. It won't happen stateside, but we're daydreaming anyway.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 12, 2009, 03:51:43 am
Random question for you Geist, where does the term beta girl come from? I've seen you use it, I figure it means the same thing as Mary Sue or whatnot, but I've never seen the term beta girl used before elsewhere. I tried googling it even.

Urban Dictionary doesn't even have it. ;D

On the topic, I really love most of this decade of Lupin specials, the only one I'm not a fan of is Elusive Fog. Not counting Lupin vs. Conan, which I haven't watched yet, will check out the nice new sub soon though.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Geist_MD on October 12, 2009, 03:55:35 am
Beta girl's a term Reed and I bandy around for the Clarisse of every movie or special. To be clear, Clarisse is Beta Girl Zero, and as such isn't actually one of them. To prove the point, Beta Girls never appeared in Lupin prior to her creation, or if so did only once or twice. She set the archetype for other female one-shot characters who would need to be wowed by Lupin's brand of freebooting adventure and come away a better, more complete person. Usually we use it pretty derisively, but some beta girls are better than others.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 12, 2009, 04:01:27 am
Good to know the true story behind it. :D

Miyazaki does like a good damsel. I guess one of the early beta girls could be that innocent blonde girl who Lupin saves in episode 11 of series 1, an early Miyazaki/Takahata episode.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Southern_Belle on October 12, 2009, 04:08:36 am
Clarisse would actually be the first of Miyazaki's damsels and I think the template from which a good portion of them are formed in his work since.

I'm not so certain about the blond girl being an actual Beta Girl.  The Beta Girl is part of the Lupin formula and the green jacket episodes weren't formulaic, also she didn't leave her encounter with Lupin a better person. She just left alive.  If I were her I'd want some therapy after all that.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: DDDINC on October 12, 2009, 04:38:28 am
I must say I am super Psyched about this release and I guarantee you I will purchase it as I want to see more proper releases in the future. To add to a few of the points earlier in this thread involving earlier Lupin releases....

1. I found that the multiple dubbing companies and varying dub qualities to be a big turn off on purchasing a lot of the Lupin titles. I happen to have owned the streamlin dub of Cogliostro at one point and then the flood of dubs happened and frankly other than Pioneer's dub I find the rest mostly unlistenable at times.

2. AS even though it ran Lupin at 2AM definitley seemed to like it enough to give it multiple runs (even the 5am slot shows proof theat someone there liked it) they never ran past ep 27 and I think they lost a lot of viewers due to not running new eps.

3. Not sure how much of a success a sub only will be as most hardcore fans have the fansub and unless they include some cool extras I don't think that most people will be willing (or able) to shell out the $20-25 it will cost to purchase. (I as well would totally donate my time and talents to dub it for free as someone else offered just because I feel this deserves a dub plus I do have voice work EXP and am a professional musician so it's not a stretch.

and finally 4. As we all know DT used the old Fuma dub and it using the old dub for FONS. If memory serves me Pioneer dubbed a lot more eps than what was released. Don't you think it would be possible to do the same with the remaining Lupin eps that are in the can already. I'm positive they would sell well enough to justify the purchase especially if they release say 2 disc sets for each release.

So many other action/spy/heist/caper type shows use/borrow the same theory as Lupin that with the correct promotion and releases should be able to turn it into a viable franchise here especially considering how western oriented the series is. Here's to hoping that this is the start of a Lupin revival. THANK YOU DISKOTEK
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 12, 2009, 04:40:15 am
So would the girl with a terminal illness in the WMW manga also be considered a Beta girl?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Southern_Belle on October 12, 2009, 04:50:08 am
So would the girl with a terminal illness in the WMW manga also be considered a Beta girl?

I haven't read the manga, so I honestly wouldn't know.  I think the only requirements are those that Geist stated earlier:
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...female one-shot characters who would need to be wowed by Lupin's brand of freebooting adventure and come away a better, more complete person.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 12, 2009, 05:03:13 am
DDINC: I could somewhat stand Geneon's dub, but FUNimation's notoriously awful with those things. And from what I gather, quite a few people on the ML were griping about its accuracy. Again, it was a totally wasted opportunity, because those specials could've appealed to people who think of Lupin as mostly an "old" anime and manga. [Speaking of which, if the interest resumes that far, I'd love to see that '97 version of the manga get a release here one of these days.] As for the show's broadcast on AS, I'm not exactly sure how it did, but it seemed to get a better reception than the 70s Gundam. So I guess that's something. Moving on to the actual content, I'm not sure a company like DT can legally get (unaffiliated) dub actors to work for free, due to current union rules about voice work. Maybe they can barter dvds in exchange or something? But as for finishing the rest of Shin Lupin, that's only gonna happen if Ep.0 makes enough money to justify it. So do your best to support the special, extras or no extras. You may be a bit strapped right now, but just be glad, cus the Japanese pay double, or even triple, the MSRP for this stuff on dvd.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Jd- on October 12, 2009, 05:13:34 am
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Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: DDDINC on October 12, 2009, 06:37:00 am
Gatsu: I am not union so that solves that issue but what I was getting at was since DT is buying Fist along with its old dub why can't they do the same thing with Lupin or at least buy up the unreleased episodes that are supposedly already dubbed. They could probably get them fairly cheap one would think as they are sitting in the can making nobody any money. Half a loaf is better than none and since there has been evidence that Lupin was dubbed through ep 120 why shouldn't DT take a flier on trying to get them on the cheap. Remember they are sitting in limbo doing nobody any good. Shoot it has me wondering how much it would cost and trying to organize a fan release....
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on October 12, 2009, 07:16:24 am
DDINC: It's not the licensing fees as much as whether there's enough demand to justify putting out the rest of Shin Lupin. Though if there does end up being a demand, I seriously hope whoever license-rescues it learns from Geneon's mistake, and puts it in box-sets. As for the union thing, I meant that you might have to be in one for DT to accept you. Maybe not, though, since I will concede on one point with MDG in that I'm not entirely familiar with current entertainment labor laws.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: DDDINC on October 12, 2009, 08:20:38 am
entertainment unions requirements vary from state to state.... For instance, in Texas (ADV and Funi) I have neen told there are no union requirements whereas in Cali (old Pioneer etc.) there obviously is, which is also why occasionally you'll see a union VA guest on a non-union show, IE: Johnny Yong Bosch was a guest voice on FMA. I am only half serious about offering my services as I am a musician and not a VA but of course if it will help... And to further clarify my idea for continuing Shin Lupin is predicated on the success of EP:0. I figure that if it does well then maybe it would be worth it for DT to try to get the dubbed eps that are in the can.
PS Union requirements alludes to whether or not you need to belong to one to get any "decent" work. The 2 major booking agencies in NJ only hire union musicians
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 12, 2009, 12:20:40 pm
Per all the frustrations of other posters, I've moved all the Daniel Zelter/GATSU arguments into their own thread:
http://www.lupinthethird.net/forums/index.php?topic=1150.0
As a result, you might see some chunks of conversation in the thread that don't make as much sense and are now out of context. Sorry!

Have fun with all the actual discussion of this epic release that may or may not be dubbed into English!

Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 12, 2009, 01:05:04 pm
Clarisse would actually be the first of Miyazaki's damsels and I think the template from which a good portion of them are formed in his work since.

I'm not so certain about the blond girl being an actual Beta Girl.  The Beta Girl is part of the Lupin formula and the green jacket episodes weren't formulaic, also she didn't leave her encounter with Lupin a better person. She just left alive.  If I were her I'd want some therapy after all that.

She's at least a damsel in distress. Nice girl. :D It just came to mind since the end of that episode is a lot like the end of Cagliostro. Lupin even blows her kisses and whatnot as he runs away, sort of like in Cagliostro. While the girl looks on, longingly, since once you go Lupin you don't go back.  ;D

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On the topic of Discotek and Lupin, I'd love it if they licensed the first series. They're releasing over 150 episodes of Fist of the North Star in boxsets, I could see a 23 episode Lupin boxset happening sometime. That'd be great.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Dots Salchow on October 12, 2009, 01:41:13 pm
I just thought of this: Let's say the sale of Episode 0 are successful and Discotek is interested in purchasing another Lupin special or OAV. Which one would you guys like to see them release next?

Definitely Alcatraz Connection. ;D It's one of my biggest favorites, plus the release would fill the gap between FUNimation's TV special releases and Discotek's Episode 0: First Contact, as Psycho_Kenshin mentioned before.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on October 12, 2009, 04:16:33 pm
Quote from: Lupin The Third
Have fun with all the actual discussion of this epic release that may or may not be dubbed into English!

Long shot, but I'd like to see Hayter or Bergen voice Lupin again.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 12, 2009, 09:49:45 pm
Quote from: Lupin The Third
Have fun with all the actual discussion of this epic release that may or may not be dubbed into English!

Long shot, but I'd like to see Hayter or Bergen voice Lupin again.

I'd love for David Hayter to be back, that would be a lot of fun. Big fan of that guy. Call me Snake......  8)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on October 12, 2009, 11:40:53 pm
Sorry I'm coming into this so late, I just found out...My god I nearly had an orgasm when I heard this news. I am so ecstatic about this news. Frankly I don't care whether this gets a Dub or not. Because I wouldn't enjoy the Dub unless the FUNi or Geneon cast did it. Which probably won't happen so it's of no matter to me. I am just so flabbergasted that Lupin is actually getting another chance here. After Geneon went under. FUNi just seemed to be trying to get rid of their Lupin releases. And Fuma sales were in the shitter. I figured it was all over for any Official English Lupin releases. But now this...HELLZ YEAH!!!!!

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And from what I gather, quite a few people on the ML were griping about its accuracy.
FUNi's Dub was pretty accurate for the most part. Even when they'd make script alternations, they'd still be pretty in character. So it didn't bother me so much.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: angelidollinda on October 12, 2009, 11:56:29 pm
Wow, hey Gozar! It's been a while. :o
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: KoichiZenigata on October 13, 2009, 05:25:58 pm
wazz up
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on October 14, 2009, 07:54:23 pm
wazz up

Welcome aboard. ;D

Man, this DVD will be great... 8)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Zoo Station on October 14, 2009, 11:41:47 pm
Wow, I go out of town for a week and suddenly things pick up in Lupin land. Excellent news! ;D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on October 19, 2009, 03:34:41 pm
Update: No dub, guys. Sorry.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: angelidollinda on October 19, 2009, 06:15:43 pm
Update: No dub, guys. Sorry.

Aw, that's a shame... :-[

Well, dub or no dub it's still a blessing that it's going to be released here! Thanks a lot for the update.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Meitantei Zenigata on October 19, 2009, 07:52:29 pm
How can you release an anime on DVD these days and not dub it? Purely subtitled releases of GoLion or Gatchaman I can understand, since dubs already exist in some form (Luckily, Gatchaman did receive an uncut dub eventually, but that's besides the point). But this is a Lupin III special, never before released in the USA. I can also understand why they didn't dub Strange Psychokinetic Strategy. I assumed because it was a live-action movie and it wouldn't be as easy to fit the words in right. If there really isn't gonna be a dub like you say, I'm a bit less excited. I've seen it subbed already and I thought it was great, but I would've loved to see an English language version.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Jo on October 20, 2009, 12:03:15 am
Update: No dub, guys. Sorry.
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Who am I kidding? I'm a sub person. But still sad for those who enjoy the dubs I suppose.

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How can you release an anime on DVD these days and not dub it?
I believe Reed mentioned budgeting as a potential reason. Which is a fair enough reason IMO. Lupin isn't exactly the most profitable franchise here in North America.

Anyways, I'm wondering if the lack of dub will affect the final cost of the DVD when it goes on sale?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on October 20, 2009, 12:10:58 am
That sucks, I'll still probably throw down cash for it though, that way I can watch a real copy.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on October 20, 2009, 04:49:06 pm
How can you release an anime on DVD these days and not dub it?

What you're saying right there used to be conventional wisdom in the industry, but nowadays, the only company that still thinks that way is FUNimation (and they can certainly afford to do so).  Everyone else seems to follow a new rule...  Unless a show has a large enough potential fanbase and/or a good shot of getting on television, it ain't getting a dub.

Hell, when Reed originally mentioned that a small company like DT was even thinking about a dub for a Lupin title of all things, I was kinda shocked.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Jd- on October 21, 2009, 04:58:25 am
How can you release an anime on DVD these days and not dub it?

What you're saying right there used to be conventional wisdom in the industry, but nowadays, the only company that still thinks that way is FUNimation (and they can certainly afford to do so).  Everyone else seems to follow a new rule...  Unless a show has a large enough potential fanbase and/or a good shot of getting on television, it ain't getting a dub.

And to add to that, more and more anime fans turn to fansubs every day, so I think the subs-only approach will be a relatively mainstream practice in no time.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: alljackets67 on October 21, 2009, 04:40:28 pm
How can you release an anime on DVD these days and not dub it?

What you're saying right there used to be conventional wisdom in the industry, but nowadays, the only company that still thinks that way is FUNimation (and they can certainly afford to do so).  Everyone else seems to follow a new rule...  Unless a show has a large enough potential fanbase and/or a good shot of getting on television, it ain't getting a dub.

And to add to that, more and more anime fans turn to fansubs every day, so I think the subs-only approach will be a relatively mainstream practice in no time.

As much as I like the idea of that, such a massive conversion to all subs would probably leave many respectable voice actors without work. But, subbing would allow for more anime to make its way to America; which is good for potential liscensers and small companies.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Sad cactus on October 29, 2009, 08:34:39 am
A little sad that it's sub-only, but maybe this release will be the spark that ignites Lupin-mania (and with it, the funds needed to produce dubs)  once again. ^^ First Contact, wow....^___^
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Zoo Station on November 05, 2009, 08:44:29 pm
I was hoping for a dub but at this point I'm just happy we're getting anything Lupin-related. I hope this leads to more of the series being released but I wouldn't count on it.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: mc_carter on November 11, 2009, 01:28:56 am
And to add to that, more and more anime fans turn to fansubs every day, so I think the subs-only approach will be a relatively mainstream practice in no time.
This Man Speaks the truth. I am super stoked to get a legit release of this in any fashion. I am also very glad Funi didn't get this one I am not a fan of their dubs, and I think alot of the lupin stuff were dub titles any way.

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Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on November 12, 2009, 03:16:55 am
If it makes you feel better about the lack of a Lupin dub, Babylon didn't get one, either. And back in the 90s, most Lupin was released dub-only, even though Bob Bergen made it ok.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on November 16, 2009, 12:23:43 pm
And to add to that, more and more anime fans turn to fansubs every day, so I think the subs-only approach will be a relatively mainstream practice in no time.
This Man Speaks the truth. I am super stoked to get a legit release of this in any fashion. I am also very glad Funi didn't get this one I am not a fan of their dubs, and I think alot of the lupin stuff were dub titles any way.

If you're referring to their subtitles being exact copies of their English dub dialogue, that used to be a common misconception. FUNimation's anime DVDs used to have TWO subtitle tracks: a transcription of the English dub, and a translation of the Japanese original. It was common for people who didn't use the menus and just flipped on subtitles on-the-fly to miss out on the other sub track.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on December 04, 2009, 10:37:45 pm
I've seen a version of the cover art (final or close to it - it has no logos like DVD or Discotek) and the title logo used is the one off of TMS' International Licensing site, with the golden "Lupin the 3rd" logo above it (a la FUNimation). So, the Discotek release will technically be labeled "Lupin the 3rd: Episode: 0 The First Contact." Waiting to get permission to post the cover art.

EDIT: May as well just link to the site in question: http://www.tms-e.com/english/search/index.php?pdt_no=259
The cover art is the image on the far right, with the logo repositioned above the title, which is centered at the bottom.  Beneath the image is a small red banner advertising that it is the full-length 2002 TV Special.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on December 05, 2009, 03:28:38 am
Never really cared for that particular piece of artwork.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on December 05, 2009, 06:46:01 am
Reed: For marketing purposes, I think the pic on the left would be better for the front-assuming you decide to put the dvd on the shelves, of course.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Zoo Station on December 05, 2009, 01:52:26 pm
I'm glad things seem to be moving ahead. I do wonder about the availability of it, considering that Fuma Conspiracy wasn't even on store shelves here and I had to order it. Hopefully this release will be made more widely available because I know some people who would probably buy Lupin if they could actually find them.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: rpguidry on December 06, 2009, 04:35:58 am
I still say we try our bet to help start a grass roots campaign for this.  It's the first official new piece of Lupin media released in the U.S. in a number of years.  I'm still not sure the best way to about it, but hopefully we will think of something that works.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on December 06, 2009, 10:42:42 pm
I would totally have auditions for a fan dub if it could get on the DVD, for absolutely nothing.

Will Reed be doing another commentary for this movie or, is there not enough information about it to even worth having one? I enjoyed the commentary on Fuma. A lot of small tidbits I never noticed.
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It would be nice to hear everything about Episode 0.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on December 07, 2009, 03:02:48 am
I would totally have auditions for a fan dub if it could get on the DVD, for absolutely nothing.

Will Reed be doing another commentary for this movie or, is there not enough information about it to even worth having one? I enjoyed the commentary on Fuma. A lot of small tidbits I never noticed.
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It would be nice to hear everything about Episode 0.

Y'know, this is the type of idea that I'd usually dismiss right away, but it might actually be something worth considering.  After all, how many legal US anime releases out there can boast to having a fandub as an extra?  None that I can think of.  It could drum up some interest outside Lupin fandom that the title wouldn't otherwise get.

There'd be a lot of obstacles though....  Various legalities, deadlines, and credibility issues just to name a few.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on December 07, 2009, 02:19:59 pm
I would totally have auditions for a fan dub if it could get on the DVD, for absolutely nothing.

Will Reed be doing another commentary for this movie or, is there not enough information about it to even worth having one? I enjoyed the commentary on Fuma. A lot of small tidbits I never noticed.
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It would be nice to hear everything about Episode 0.

Y'know, this is the type of idea that I'd usually dismiss right away, but it might actually be something worth considering.  After all, how many legal US anime releases out there can boast to having a fandub as an extra?  None that I can think of.  It could drum up some interest outside Lupin fandom that the title wouldn't otherwise get.

There'd be a lot of obstacles though....  Various legalities, deadlines, and credibility issues just to name a few.

I know, that is why it really bums me out that I had no idea this DVD was coming while I was finishing up a different fandub.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 07, 2009, 10:25:37 pm
I've got to say, I really love the image on the right. I think Lupin & Jigen look especially kick ass in it.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on December 08, 2009, 04:56:44 pm
Cover art and more release info on the main site (which is undergoing another redesign, please pardon our dust):
http://lupinthethird.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59:first-contact-update-cover-art-and-first-details&catid=1:latest
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 08, 2009, 07:46:09 pm
I love the cover art. Love the image and I'm ecstatic to hear that you'll be doing a commentary again. So, March. eh? So much sooner than I was expecting.

Where is the official News Source of this? Their website isn't saying anything.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Jd- on December 08, 2009, 08:38:35 pm
That really is a nice cover.

Also looking forward to our humble master providing insights once again.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on December 08, 2009, 09:22:44 pm
I love the cover art. Love the image and I'm ecstatic to hear that you'll be doing a commentary again. So, March. eh? So much sooner than I was expecting.

Where is the official News Source of this? Their website isn't saying anything.

He told me it was coming out in March, told me what extras the licensor provided and sent me the cover art image.

So, I guess....I'm the official source...
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 08, 2009, 09:33:59 pm
Wow, sweet man. Amazing to know that you're so big in Lupin-iverse. Even by official release standards.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on December 09, 2009, 01:03:30 am
That cover art is awesome. I don't even like that Lupin logo, but Diskotec actually made that logo work. I can't wait for this DVD.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 09, 2009, 01:49:28 am
That cover art is awesome. I don't even like that Lupin logo, but Diskotec actually made that logo work. I can't wait for this DVD.
Really? I personally love the gold bar logo. Not as much as the original Japanese logo. But I still love it none the less.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on December 09, 2009, 02:12:09 pm
That cover art is awesome. I don't even like that Lupin logo, but Diskotec actually made that logo work. I can't wait for this DVD.
Really? I personally love the gold bar logo. Not as much as the original Japanese logo. But I still love it none the less.

Yeah I didn't like the way Funi used it. They slapped it anywhere they could on their Lupin products without even trying to make it blend in. Thats MO though. Also I think it had something to do with the fact I dont really like their dub, or choice of specials to be released. But Diskotec makes it work, so now I like it.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on December 09, 2009, 05:01:17 pm
ultimate: FUNi might not have had a choice on how to use the logo. Japanese licensors can be total jerks on promo materials, as anyone listening to the ANNCasts might discover.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Zoo Station on December 10, 2009, 10:46:05 pm
I really like the cover. It doesn't look radically different from the other covers that have been used before but at least it's new Lupin and that's enough to make me happy. :)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on December 12, 2009, 02:56:06 pm
ultimate: FUNi might not have had a choice on how to use the logo. Japanese licensors can be total jerks on promo materials, as anyone listening to the ANNCasts might discover.

1. FUNi was dealing with the same company as DT currently is, TMS.
2. DT didn't use the gold logo on Fuma, which is yet another TMS property.

I imagine DT has to follow some guidelines set down by TMS, but for the most part, they probably have free reign over what they do with the art.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on December 12, 2009, 11:33:08 pm
RT: Don't forget that the stuff DT was negotiating for was a lot less recent than FUNi was handling, and that even when FUNi had the rights, it took 'em forever to get all the movies out here.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 12, 2009, 11:41:58 pm
Let's not also forget the fact that TMS is known pricks when it comes to certain things. Forcing FUNi to change the character names in their Dub of Detective Conan.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: RedTail on December 13, 2009, 12:33:05 am
RT: Don't forget that the stuff DT was negotiating for was a lot less recent than FUNi was handling[...]

Less than two years, Gatsu.

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[...]and that even when FUNi had the rights, it took 'em forever to get all the movies out here.

Not really.  They released four specials between 2002 and 2003.  Then for whatever reason, they stopped (probably didn't do so hot).  Two years later they gave it another chance and released four more titles in 2005 before pulling the plug once and for all.  That's not really that bad.

Also keep in mind that Geneon, who was releasing Lupin at the same time FUNi was, had the rights to use the gold logo too.  You know where it is?  Check the back of your 2nd series DVDs.
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Post by: MGFanJay on December 13, 2009, 05:43:08 am
Aside from the green scroll-thingy, nothing about it really screams "First Contact" to me with it. Without that, it would look like a fan-made cover with random art of the characters on the cover. Despite those issues, I'm glad to see the gold logo return to prominence. Also, "The First Contact" text doesn't do much for me - that green/yellow combo is kinda hideous. Nowhere near as good a cover as DT used for Fuma, but I doubt I'll mind much - I'm just glad that more Lupin is hitting the U.S. at all.
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Post by: GATSU on December 13, 2009, 06:04:45 am
Gozar: With the exception of the "enhanced" Cagliostro, TMS isn't the worst in this regard, but it's the most paranoid about reverse-importation.

RT:
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Less than two years, Gatsu.

I'm talking about the age of the titles.

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They released four specials between 2002 and 2003.  Then for whatever reason, they stopped (probably didn't do so hot).  Two years later they gave it another chance and released four more titles in 2005 before pulling the plug once and for all.  That's not really that bad.

Actually, FUNi had the rights to all these specials from the get-go. But the company had to deal with legal bs which kept it from releasing them all at once. It's similar to when CPM had the rights to Utena, but couldn't immediately bring out the third season of it.

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Also keep in mind that Geneon, who was releasing Lupin at the same time FUNi was, had the rights to use the gold logo too.  You know where it is?  Check the back of your 2nd series DVDs.

Well, yeah, but Geneon didn't have to change the titles of their Lupin like FUNi....
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 13, 2009, 12:56:59 pm
Aside from the green scroll-thingy, nothing about it really screams "First Contact" to me with it. Without that, it would look like a fan-made cover with random art of the characters on the cover. Despite those issues, I'm glad to see the gold logo return to prominence. Also, "The First Contact" text doesn't do much for me - that green/yellow combo is kinda hideous. Nowhere near as good a cover as DT used for Fuma, but I doubt I'll mind much - I'm just glad that more Lupin is hitting the U.S. at all.
I'm glad to see someone agrees with me on the text. I didn't really mention it because I was just so happy that they were using the Japanese cover art which looks so great and I love so much.

But I think the next on "Episode 0: The First Contact" is just really ugly and both clashes with the cover art its self as well as the Gold Bar Logo.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on December 13, 2009, 02:39:47 pm
I could be wrong but I am pretty sure the "Episode 0 First Contact" text is straight from the actual movie. I swear I remember seeing text just like it. Nothing bothers me of this coverart, it's glorious.

It's like spreading a girls legs and, oh ok I'm gonna stop there.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 13, 2009, 11:00:35 pm
I'm pretty sure the Title Card for the Special was written in Japanese.
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Post by: Reed on December 14, 2009, 01:21:26 pm
Gozar is right, except for the "EPISODE: 0" part, which appears 3 times during the special and its credits, in English.

The English version of the title card is also on the TMS International English site, which I linked to earlier in the thread. Maybe you saw it there? It was discussed in an earlier thread....
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 14, 2009, 01:48:37 pm
Gozar is right, except for the "EPISODE: 0" part, which appears 3 times during the special and its credits, in English...
Yeah but it's in a different style than presented on this DVD Cover Art, right? At least the title card is. I don't remember the style of the other times.
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Post by: Jo on December 14, 2009, 03:43:12 pm
Aside from the green scroll-thingy, nothing about it really screams "First Contact" to me with it. Without that, it would look like a fan-made cover with random art of the characters on the cover. Despite those issues, I'm glad to see the gold logo return to prominence. Also, "The First Contact" text doesn't do much for me - that green/yellow combo is kinda hideous. Nowhere near as good a cover as DT used for Fuma, but I doubt I'll mind much - I'm just glad that more Lupin is hitting the U.S. at all.
I'm glad to see someone agrees with me on the text. I didn't really mention it because I was just so happy that they were using the Japanese cover art which looks so great and I love so much.

But I think the next on "Episode 0: The First Contact" is just really ugly and both clashes with the cover art its self as well as the Gold Bar Logo.
I've been avoiding this thread to prevent myself from saying anything about the font. Anyways - thought I'd have a little fun and change it. Not the best clean up but it's not like you'll notice anything unless you're staring really hard haha.
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6084/coverbx.jpg)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: ultimateemail5000 on December 14, 2009, 05:23:34 pm
Aside from the green scroll-thingy, nothing about it really screams "First Contact" to me with it. Without that, it would look like a fan-made cover with random art of the characters on the cover. Despite those issues, I'm glad to see the gold logo return to prominence. Also, "The First Contact" text doesn't do much for me - that green/yellow combo is kinda hideous. Nowhere near as good a cover as DT used for Fuma, but I doubt I'll mind much - I'm just glad that more Lupin is hitting the U.S. at all.
I'm glad to see someone agrees with me on the text. I didn't really mention it because I was just so happy that they were using the Japanese cover art which looks so great and I love so much.

But I think the next on "Episode 0: The First Contact" is just really ugly and both clashes with the cover art its self as well as the Gold Bar Logo.
I've been avoiding this thread to prevent myself from saying anything about the font. Anyways - thought I'd have a little fun and change it. Not the best clean up but it's not like you'll notice anything unless you're staring really hard haha.
(http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6084/coverbx.jpg)

Please don't take offense, but this is something that Funimation would put out. IMO it just doesn't fit, that fancy text they have on the real DVD cover, that is where it's at.

I wasn't to sure if that text was in Japanese or not in the actual movie. I haven't watched the special in a year. Honestly it's not one of my favs, but I enjoy it. I like Lupin in the 70's and 80's. Also a story like this, I think it should be tackled and written by Monkey Punch himself, since he is the creator. If he already did do that, somebody let me know.
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Post by: Jo on December 14, 2009, 06:13:09 pm
Please don't take offense, but this is something that Funimation would put out. IMO it just doesn't fit, that fancy text they have on the real DVD cover, that is where it's at.
Nah none taken. To each their own :). Personally I wouldn't describe the text on the original as uh... fancy. It reminds of those cheap kid DVDs you pick up for $2 in the reject bin. And I wouldn't really be surprised if they borrowed the curve from MS Word >_> Ah the middle school project flashbacks!
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on December 15, 2009, 01:58:42 am
If anything I think the font/style used would be best suited as a title card for a Movie/Special that starts off in a Casino. I think it's very Casino-esque.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on December 22, 2009, 01:57:07 am
Looks like it comes out March 30 (http://www.amazon.com/Lupin-3rd-Episode-First-Contact/dp/B0030Y120A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1261464990&sr=1-1).
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Post by: Gozar on December 22, 2009, 11:19:57 pm
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!! Really pushing the "March" release, lol. But it's nice to have an official date.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Zoo Station on January 20, 2010, 04:15:39 pm
Ah cool, so there's a current date set. I'm definitely excited about this. ;D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on February 01, 2010, 07:24:35 am
I was just thinking. Why not put T.H.E.M. anime's quote (http://www.themanime.org/editorials.php?id=25) for it on the cover?
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Post by: Sad cactus on February 01, 2010, 08:26:04 am
Can that be done?
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Post by: Reed on February 01, 2010, 03:40:33 pm
Probably a little late. I wrote the back-of-box description a while ago, but there's a chance, perhaps, I could recommend a tack-on quote somewhere on the back cover. I'll look into it.
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Post by: Gozar on February 01, 2010, 05:11:19 pm
Probably a little late. I wrote the back-of-box description a while ago, but there's a chance, perhaps, I could recommend a tack-on quote somewhere on the back cover. I'll look into it.
Wow, I didn't know you had that much involvement with this project.
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Post by: Reed on February 01, 2010, 05:59:50 pm
Not any more than extras for the most part. For some perspective, I did the back-of-box text, liner notes and some subtitle cleanup for their "Fuma Conspiracy" and "Strange Psychokinetic Strategy" discs. (Side note: all the on-screen text in SPS, like during the "sex" scene, the translator didn't do so I felt I had to translate that myself. I know I wouldn't have been thrilled if I'd bought the DVD and those captions were just left in raw Japanese....). Obviously, I also did the commentary for Fuma.

In case anyone's interested, I wrapped up the commentary a couple days ago. I'll be honest with everyone in that I don't think it's as "strong" as the Fuma commentary, but I also had fewer resources and a bigger time crunch. Hopefully you'll all appreciate it at least as a more well-researched "Lupin the Words" podcast episode...but solo. Also, I don't really apologize for anything in it where I did profusely last time (something I got well-deserved knocks for).

Once we get closer to March 30th, I'll start up a thread in the Film and Animation forum for official discussion of the disc and movie itself.
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Post by: Sad cactus on February 02, 2010, 10:13:48 am
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In case anyone's interested, I wrapped up the commentary a couple days ago. I'll be honest with everyone in that I don't think it's as "strong" as the Fuma commentary, but I also had fewer resources and a bigger time crunch.

Don't worry about it, you've done a lot already and thank you for your hard work. ^__^
 
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For some perspective, I did the back-of-box text, liner notes and some subtitle cleanup for their "Fuma Conspiracy" and "Strange Psychokinetic Strategy" discs. (Side note: all the on-screen text in SPS, like during the "sex" scene, the translator didn't do so I felt I had to translate that myself.

Thank you for doing so. ^_^ The DVD is all the better for it. ^^ And it helps to shed light on the legal limitations on artistic freedom in that context. And it explains why there's a sudden cut to the next scene.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on February 04, 2010, 02:59:42 am
For everyone's benefit: the full cover art for the release (including rear and spine artwork):
http://www.lupinthethird.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65:first-contact-final-full-cover-art&catid=1:latest
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Post by: GATSU on February 04, 2010, 05:59:20 am
Reed: You might want to consider a Paypal now, in case any newbs (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917993) to the series start visiting your site.  ;D Anyway, pretty snazzy.
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Post by: Gozar on February 04, 2010, 03:21:40 pm
Love the back of the cover.  Except for the fact that Jigen is listed as "Jigen Daisuke" as opposed to "Daisuke Jigen". All of the other characters are listed given name first. So it's weird.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Geist_MD on February 05, 2010, 02:42:02 am
Is this dumb? It is totally dumb, but everyone go buy it kekekeke. When it comes out, anyway. No matter how many people here buy it, there won't be a resurgence in Lupin work, but at least show Discotek their interest isn't wasted.

Also, Reed's stuff is worth the purchase alone. I hear he's naked on the commentary!
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Post by: Sad cactus on February 05, 2010, 06:59:59 am
Ew, I don't want to see Reed naked. What kind of incentive is that? XD But I am going to buy it, come hell or high water, with or without naked Reed.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on February 05, 2010, 04:20:42 pm
Geist: You never know. If that other famous thief reboot with Russell Crowe does well, there could be a market for these things.  ;)
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on February 06, 2010, 02:15:08 am
Is this dumb? It is totally dumb, but everyone go buy it kekekeke. When it comes out, anyway. No matter how many people here buy it, there won't be a resurgence in Lupin work, but at least show Discotek their interest isn't wasted.
Well I'm gonna do my part. I have a fairly large following on YouTube. Sometime soon I'm gonna reach out on there to try and find Lupin fans and inform them of this release.
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Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on February 07, 2010, 09:18:54 pm
The DVD package is looking good, can't wait to have this on my shelf.  8)

Here's a random marketing question though. I notice on the box it's prominently called a TV special, which it is, but Funimation advertises all of them as just "full length motion pictures" and stuff, so that people might assume they're theatrical movies I guess. I figure there was probably a marketing approach to why they didn't use the term TV special, so it's interesting that you guys use it.

Not that there's anything wrong with being a TV special, I love 'em.
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Post by: Zoo Station on February 08, 2010, 12:04:11 am
The cover really does look great and it's refreshing to see a company putting time and effort back into the series again. March 30 can't get here soon enough. ;D
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Reed on February 08, 2010, 02:11:12 am
I thought about the "TV special" thing myself. I can only assume it makes more sense to market it as a full-length feature, especially since that implies you're getting a whole "movie," where the term "TV Special" brings to mind something shorter and lower-budget (i.e., an hour-long TV episode).

However, you can't fault Discotek for truth in advertising here!
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Post by: Geist_MD on February 08, 2010, 04:19:13 am
Geist: You never know. If that other famous thief reboot with Russell Crowe does well, there could be a market for these things.  ;)

...

Dude.

I just got back.

Dude.

C'mon.

C'MON.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on February 17, 2010, 04:13:39 pm
Hey guys, soon I'm gonna make a Video advertising this release on YouTube. What do you think would be better to make? A Video simply informing or a Trailer?
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Post by: Meitantei Zenigata on February 19, 2010, 09:33:15 pm
Well, I guess I'll buy it, if only to complete my Lupin DVD collection and support future releases. I'm miffed there isn't a dub, but the commentary track should be worthwhile. I'll definitely recommend it to a friend of mine, tho.
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Post by: Jd- on February 19, 2010, 10:40:44 pm
Geist: You never know. If that other famous thief reboot with Russell Crowe does well, there could be a market for these things.  ;)

...

Dude.

I just got back.

Dude.

C'mon.

C'MON.

Here we go again! Round 78... commence.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on February 26, 2010, 10:35:36 pm
Zenigata: If it makes you feel better, there are shows newer and more appealing to the anime fans into Naruto which aren't getting an English language track.

Update: Alright, ordered mine. Thank you, tax rebate-san.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Sad cactus on February 28, 2010, 09:10:18 am
Will it be released in stores?
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Post by: Gozar on February 28, 2010, 12:33:14 pm
Will it be released in stores?
Hard to say. Their Fuma release wasn't really seen in stores and that HAD a Dub on it. This is a Sub only release, so I doubt it.
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Post by: GATSU on February 28, 2010, 07:47:19 pm
I think I saw Fuma in some places...Though I might be confusing it w/ the LA film.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on March 05, 2010, 12:18:37 am
I got my pre-order for First Contact in last night =)
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Post by: Sad cactus on March 05, 2010, 05:00:16 pm
Awesome! ^_^ Now begins the waiting?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Gozar on March 05, 2010, 08:28:02 pm
In a lot of situations Rightstuf ships early. Sometimes as early as 2 weeks early...*Crosses fingers*
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Post by: GATSU on March 05, 2010, 10:25:20 pm
Reed: So is there a trailer DT can upload to Youtube to spread the word?
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: Psycho_Kenshin on March 08, 2010, 01:48:16 am
In a lot of situations Rightstuf ships early. Sometimes as early as 2 weeks early...*Crosses fingers*

I pre-ordered my Epizode Zero disc from Rightstuf too. *high five* ;D

Can't wait, I've been rewatching a lotta Lupin specials, and I haven't seen this one in years.
Title: Re: Discotek licenses "Episode Zero: First Contact"!
Post by: GATSU on March 30, 2010, 07:51:17 am
Chris Beveridge just reviewed (http://www.mania.com/lupin-3rd-episode-0-first-contact_article_119607.html) it. Surprised he's so into the manga, though.
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Post by: Gozar on March 30, 2010, 07:19:10 pm
*Tear*...Mine didn't ship today.
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Post by: MGFanJay on March 31, 2010, 12:04:44 pm
I got my copy yesterday, watched it yesterday, took four billion screens, and loved the commentary. I also loved them once again going with the jacket-matching case colors - it wasn't until I saw it with this release that I realized they were doing it to match the jackets and not the logos used for the DVD.
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Post by: Gozar on March 31, 2010, 05:19:03 pm
I posted a Video on YouTube advertising the release.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHFOY0ZNXqs
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Post by: Reed on April 01, 2010, 04:59:37 am
I got my copy yesterday, watched it yesterday, took four billion screens, and loved the commentary. I also loved them once again going with the jacket-matching case colors - it wasn't until I saw it with this release that I realized they were doing it to match the jackets and not the logos used for the DVD.

Finally, some substantial feedback. Thank you for enjoying and sitting through the commentary. I wish I could have been able to do the title more justice, but given the circumstances...

Oh! What did you think of the subtitle translation? I know that one guy who posted earlier was dying to know... (also, me)
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Post by: Jing on April 01, 2010, 12:44:59 pm
<-- That one guy.

Still contemplating my purchase, unfortunately... I don't have much spare cash.
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Post by: Gozar on April 01, 2010, 01:30:02 pm
I also loved them once again going with the jacket-matching case colors - it wasn't until I saw it with this release that I realized they were doing it to match the jackets and not the logos used for the DVD.
Wait. What? I don't understand what you mean.

Anyway. I got my copy in the mail today. I'll be popping it in tonight.
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Post by: Reed on April 01, 2010, 02:34:49 pm
I didn't get it at first, either, but I think he's referring to the general color schemes of the sleeve, not the physical case itself. I'm pretty sure his jacket isn't white in this movie; it was white in the live action film but that keepcase was transparent....
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Post by: MGFanJay on April 02, 2010, 07:14:40 am
Fuma's jacket color was green - green case
Episode 0's jacket color was red - red case

Before this release, I figured they had the case match the logos, not the jacket colors.

As for the subtitles, I loved them - I'm sure they were more accurate than fansubs, but the size was just about perfect. Small enough to be out of the way of key action, but big enough to read. Ys did appear cut off slightly on the bottom though, which was a little weird.
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Post by: desperate4loopin on April 02, 2010, 01:00:39 pm
I didn't get a red case  :-\ so I'm disappointed. I received a white case.

I bought mine from amazon..
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Post by: Gozar on April 03, 2010, 12:44:44 am
Yeah. My case is white as well. Or do you just mean the the Theme of the Cover Art (Like it's Red where it says "Lupin's 30th Anniversary TV Special")?
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Post by: Reed on April 03, 2010, 01:59:22 am
I got a bunch of copies and they all had white cases, hence my confusion as well.
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Post by: GATSU on April 03, 2010, 04:59:32 am
Jing: We hear ya, man. Just give when you can.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 03, 2010, 07:54:26 pm
Watched it 2 nights ago and watched the Commentary today...My thoughts...

The Subs were for the most part great. The size was great, easily readable. Though there were a few occasions where the beginning of a sentence wasn't capitalized. Not many, just a few. Not really a big deal, just thought I'd mention it. I also like how they kept the Subs reading "First Contact" as opposed to their own "THE First Contact".

I enjoyed the Extras. Especially the First Contact trailers which I'd previously never seen. They were pretty kick ass. All narrated by my main man, Jigen ;D

As for the commentary...IT WAS AN UTTER PIECE OF WORTHLESS SHIT!!!...Kidding of course...Seriously this was a great commentary Reed. Kept me entertained all of the way through. I personally liked this one more than your Fuma one. I liked about all of the different opinionated topics that you discussed. Some I agreed with you, others not so much. But it's always great to hear different opinions about anything having to do with the Lupin franchise.

However I must say one thing. During the commentary you said that Lupin never refers to his first name or the fact that he's Arsene's grandson. But I'm pretty sure in the first Green Jacket Episode he refers to himself as "Arsene Lupin III, grandson of that famous french thief" or something along those lines.

Oh and I loved how at the end you thanked you wife. Reminds me of something I'd do ;D
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Post by: Reed on April 03, 2010, 11:53:45 pm
The Subs were for the most part great. The size was great, easily readable. Though there were a few occasions where the beginning of a sentence wasn't capitalized. Not many, just a few. Not really a big deal, just thought I'd mention it. I also like how they kept the Subs reading "First Contact" as opposed to their own "THE First Contact".

Yeah, I was definitely a fan of getting rid of the additional "The." I'm pretty sure they just ran with the pre-made TMS logo on that for convenience.

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As for the commentary...IT WAS AN UTTER PIECE OF WORTHLESS SHIT!!!...Kidding of course...Seriously this was a great commentary Reed. Kept me entertained all of the way through. I personally liked this one more than your Fuma one. I liked about all of the different opinionated topics that you discussed. Some I agreed with you, others not so much. But it's always great to hear different opinions about anything having to do with the Lupin franchise.

However I must say one thing. During the commentary you said that Lupin never refers to his first name or the fact that he's Arsene's grandson. But I'm pretty sure in the first Green Jacket Episode he refers to himself as "Arsene Lupin III, grandson of that famous french thief" or something along those lines.

I'm pretty sure the line you're thinking of was more like, "My name is Lupin the Third. The grandson of Arsene Lupin." (The Japanese was something like, "Ore no na[mae] wa Rupan Sansei. Aruseenu Rupan no mamou[sp?] da." He repeated it often in the OPs throughout the first series. Nowhere in that phrase does it say that his name is "Arsene Lupin III." It says his name is "Lupin III" and that he's the grandson of Arsene Lupin. To a Westerner, this means, "ok, so his name is 'Arsene Lupin III.'" But the source material never explicitly states this, therefore, it cannot be stated as fact.

I'm pretty sure I said in the commentary that I thought this was an illogical argument to a Westerner, and that I consider his name to be "Arsene Lupin III" regardless of the Japanese take. That's a paraphrase, of course.

That being said, thanks for the kind words (except the ones in ALLCAPS, lulz). Naturally, I disagree with you on the Episode 0 vs. Fuma bit, but to each their own.

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Oh and I loved how at the end you thanked you wife. Reminds me of something I'd do ;D

I got the impression my wife loved it even more. :)
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Post by: Gozar on April 04, 2010, 12:11:28 am
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I'm pretty sure I said in the commentary that I thought this was an illogical argument to a Westerner, and that I consider his name to be "Arsene Lupin III" regardless of the Japanese take. That's a paraphrase, of course.
Yes, you definitely did say that. I was just stating what I thought I remembered from the Green Jacket series (Which turned out to only be half right, lol).
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Zoo Station on April 04, 2010, 12:55:41 am
I finally had a chance to sit down and watch it tonight. Overall I thought it was very well done and the subs were excellent. I haven't gotten around to listening to the commentary yet but I hope to be able to do that in the next couple of days. It's so refreshing to finally have a new Lupin item to watch. ;D
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: MGFanJay on April 05, 2010, 03:00:25 pm
Gozar, the DVD case is red - they used a red case for the copy I got from the Discotek store. I was going to buy it on Amazon before I saw how much less it cost at the Discotek store, and it had free shipping to boot.
(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7460/lupinfirstcontactreddvd.th.jpg) (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/lupinfirstcontactreddvd.jpg/)
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Reed on April 05, 2010, 03:27:13 pm
Well, shucks. Now I'm a little disappointed. I'm guessing he couldn't get enough red cases to fill his whole order, so he had to substitute (white actually looks fine, in my opinion).
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 05, 2010, 04:10:23 pm
LUCKY!!! That Red Case looks really cool. Oh well, what can you do? LOL. It's not that the white case looks BAD or anything. I just think a darker color would have worked better. To be honest, when I first opened the box when it arrived I was kind of surprised that they didn't go with a black case (I wasn't even thinking Red). But man, that Red looks so cool.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: MGFanJay on April 05, 2010, 07:48:33 pm
I'm a bit surprised they wouldn't go with black if they did run out of red - surely black cases are more plentiful (and therefore cheaper) than white ones.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 06, 2010, 05:57:18 pm
Haven't seen the actual movie yet, but it might be a good idea to put a security tag on the DVD, so it doesn't get stolen, even if it were ironic.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Sad cactus on April 07, 2010, 12:18:01 am
I can't wait for the DVD to arrive, I'm so excited. ^^
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Reed on April 07, 2010, 01:58:16 pm
Haven't seen the actual movie yet, but it might be a good idea to put a security tag on the DVD, so it doesn't get stolen, even if it were ironic.

I don't think any major brick-and-mortar retailers are carrying it, so I doubt it matters. I have no idea if any small-time shops have it.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Geist_MD on April 10, 2010, 05:03:01 am
Just got my Limited Edition in the mail today, but I'm posting in the wee-hours of the morning and with no time to spare, so hopefully I'll catch it on Sunday. Whoop!
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 11, 2010, 05:33:08 am
This is my first time actually seeing the thing, so I'm just commenting on my impressions of the film, not the commentary. To be honest, I confused this special w/ Return of Pycal, which is what I really wanted to see, but hope supporting this will lead to that one getting an R1 release. Anyway, so I finally got what that guy/gal on the ML was saying about that Steve Martin Pink Panther hamburger joke reminding him/her of a scene with Zenigata. Someone needs to do a Youtube mash-up thingy...And Boondock Neo-er Shade-is great comic relief, but a lame villain....Unusually high concentration of water-colors in various backgrounds...Jigen refusing an offer from "Fuji-cakes" would normally set off my yaoi-dar, but I'll let it slide, 'cus I know he doesn't trust women in general....The director(commissioner?) wants to catch Lupin, but doesn't want to use Tot-san's lead? Doesn't sound like standard police procedure to me...That extra from Hair-or was it The Warriors-(Brad) needs more character development for me to care about him. Marty McFly's dad feels out-of-place and an unnecessary addition to the story. It'd be more interesting if they had Zenigata portrayed as rookie himself, and not just someone who's meeting Lupin for the first time[Seriously, why don't they do a rebooted Lupin series already?]; but I guess that would mean casting someone younger than Goro-san. Pro-tip on the subs. When characters are doing the stream-of-consciousness thing[I.E. thinking to themselves.], it looks cooler if their lines are in italics, not quotes. So after the Miami Vice-style shoot-out things finally start pickin' up with that nifty showdown and Shade finally growing a pair. Forgot to sub Neo's "tehmeh"line...Goemon's entrance feels tacked on...Tot-san's comments about the ghetto don't sound politically incorrect...Plus, I ain't buyin' him able to take down gang-members. They ain't "friendly" like your yakuza, dude.  They'd usually have their own pieces, and not just knives. Did he not see Die Hard 3? :P No comment on Lupin readin' the NYT from right-to-left?  ;) If someone ever does a Lupin AMV with the Benny Hill music, the part where Goemon chases Lupin would fit right in...I like how the New Yawkas are just standin' around when they see a flamin' truck pass by.  ;D No one who could speak Spanish(French? Portugese?) to sub the song in the dramatic re-enactment of the scene with Brad and Shade? Or was someone in legal not able to clear it? [I.E. the excuse Viz uses for not subbing its songs.] Nice Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman cosplay, Fujiko-chan. Goin' through the credits...No you did not just have the Scarface balloon! Oh, well, maybe we can get a mash-up that way...So I made it to the end.

Um, I hate to be a Negative Nancy here, but I don't feel like this special lives up to the hype. It's got some serious pacing issues, and could easily have been wrapped up in an hour or so at most. In other words, it's like the TDK of the franchise: It's great, if you want an epic to establish the main characters' direction for the rest of the series, but lacking, if you're carrying over higher expectations from better adaptations. Plus, it seems to be recycling stuff from Babylon and the Golgo movie. [Yeah, I know, same company.] I'm not sure how a casual anime fan who sees FC as their first Lupin anything would react now, either. I think they'd dig it for the Lupin/Jigen rivalry and Fuji-service; and Tot-san should appeal to a younger crowd, now that they've seen the 'Panther reboots. But I dunno if unnecessary sub-plots like Zenigata's conflicts w/ the NYPD, and the need to fit that rich guy in a wheelchair into the heist,
will fly as easily. Though in a market where today's anime shows don't even bother with plots, just cookie-cutter moe, those
extraneous elements might actually be welcome. Either way, I guess I'm ok with Episode 0, but I don't count it as a fave. Still better than Nostradamus, though...So I can recommend it if you haven't seen it, and really like those back-stories from other episodes and specials. [I dig those, too, but then they tend to be tighter than the one here.]

As for why he doesn't call himself "Arsene Lupin III", that was probably one of the ways they tried to avoid getting sued.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 11, 2010, 04:30:40 pm
In what way does it have pacing issues? Just about every movie in existence (Lupin or not) has some level of padding. I mean if we're talking pacing issues in the Lupin Franchise. Dead or Alive comes to mind IMO.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 11, 2010, 05:28:38 pm
Well, for example, it seems like it has to tell you in advance all the details leading up to a heist and all of the the character's motivations, instead of letting you discover these things on your own. And then it goes into goofy sub-plots with Zenigata which just seem like more of an excuse to make him more relevant, than to add any depth to the main story. And just when you expect things to finally start moving, you have to endure stupid banter between the protagonists and a small-time mafioso. Let's just say it's got the worst elements of 90s movies in place of the the best elements of Lupin. I know it's a shitty analogy, but this Michael Jackson video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-7ABIM2qjU) is what I think of when I see Episode 0-and that's not a compliment.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 11, 2010, 06:39:24 pm
I think the main reason I disagree with you on this is because my perception of the Lupin franchise is with focus on the Main 5 characters rather than the plot itself. So some padding here and there doesn't bother me because I enjoy seeing how the Lupin characters get to act in certain situations.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 11, 2010, 06:47:25 pm
You have a point. But if the characters don't do anything interesting, then it's a waste to have them there in the first place. Might as well save the idea for a different production.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 11, 2010, 07:10:09 pm
But see that's the thing. That's the reason why we differ here. I felt that the moments of padding WERE interesting (or in some cases, funny).
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 11, 2010, 07:32:29 pm
We'll just agree to disagree. I still liked it more than Nostradamus, so I don't think it's entirely lacking. It just needs to be a little more exciting.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 11, 2010, 08:03:51 pm
Like what? More action scenes? Because I do wish that Jigen and Shade got to have a battle.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 11, 2010, 09:37:07 pm
Action scenes, high stakes, a more interesting treasure, etc.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on April 12, 2010, 07:00:42 pm
I do agree with you on the action scenes. But I'd say the stakes were pretty high in that dungeon.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Sad cactus on April 13, 2010, 10:30:01 pm
I like when the characters are put in tense situations--as those are the scenes that reveal more character depth. Jigen wanting to kill Lupin, Lupin needing to kill Jigen to save his life, and Fujiko's (?)--that's the kind of adrenaline-pumping situation that gives Lupin its edge.

I have my (red-case) copy of the sub, and though I miss the swear words, I'm glad that I can understand  what's going on between all of the characters. I found it interesting that Galvez starts out as having a cool head,  a foil to Shade who's kind of like Jack from Walther P-38--off the handle and always wanting to kill something.

Jigen blasting the mob guy to get to Lupin himself...badass.

I like the side-plot with Zenigata and George McFly. He resembles his namesake in Back to the Future in that he doesn't want to make waves--meek to a comical degree, and it takes Zenigata's flagrant disregard for by-the-book regulations to give him a spine. And, from the subs, McFly says that Zenigata inspired him to be a "rebel again"--implying that maybe McFly was once like Zenigata but got disillusioned, or cowed into obedience, or something else that silenced him.

I didn't realize until watching the sub that Zenigata knew that the director wasn't Lupin when he had him arrested--that's some nice subtle vengeance by Zenigata against the director for putting him in jail/threatening to deport him/treating him like crap. : )

I still think that Episode 0 is canon despite it being Lupin telling the story--we see the Clam of Hermes and the Federal Reserve, what more proof do we need? And then,  during the ending credits, some minor characters from the special show up again--the very same taxi driver drops off Zenigata. That continuity suggests that Lupin wasn't lying.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on April 22, 2010, 10:51:09 pm
Kind of sad that I find the commentary more engaging than the actual special...  :'( And the first Lupin theme rocked! It perfectly conveyed the adult sensibility of the time. You want a crappy theme song, look for the opening to that 70s Arsene Lupin French show. As for why Lupin wasn't bigger, I disagree that it didn't stand out enough, because as you pointed out, it did do better than the original Gundam, even though that series had the potential boosted interest and audience from Wing. Not to mention it lasted longer on shelves than Ippo. I do agree it might've been good for the specials to get air-time, and it still baffles me why no one licensed this one sooner, since it "explains" the main idea of the show the best, even though I wasn't personally impressed by its execution.

So I think the main problems for Lupin were: 1) Too many different variations of it put out at once, which probably confused casual buyers into knowing where to start; 2) Not enough synergy between the various license-holders at the time to help sell it better across the board; 3) Geneon trying to sell it as a kids' show[i.e. the toy pack-ins], when it was clearly meant for teens and older; 4) It got lost in the anime and manga glut of the early to mid-2000s; 5) Geneon was still selling it in singles when box-sets and thin-packs were becoming more popular; and 6) Geneon should've probably started with Series 1, because it was shorter, and perhaps more "interesting" in the way Reed thinks it'd appeal to the casual fans.  In fact, anyone notice that the first series of the manga actually did better for Tokyopop than the second series, even though the latter manga has better(as in, more comprehensible) art? So I think putting out the first manga and second anime series, instead of the first manga and first anime series, was just a bad idea. Total wasted opportunity, given the audience of that time, not to mention the popularity of GTA.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: BetweentheWorlds on May 06, 2010, 07:21:14 pm
I really wish this movie had a dubbed track though...It's hard to pay attention to what's going on and enjoy it at the same time....Can anyone tell me if the lack of the dub is made up for with the movie? I can't really find any information before I buy it.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on May 24, 2010, 07:08:28 pm
AICN Anime now has a review (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45226).
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: gothichyppie on May 24, 2010, 09:37:45 pm
AICN Anime now has a review (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45226).
Thank you for this! What anime enthusiast wouldn't wanna watch Lupin after reading this?
My brother doesn't love animes as much as I do and I've shown him the first two movies and a couple of episodes and I really think that he would love First Contact if he bothered to watch it.
Apart from the homages to earlier bits and group shots for the fans, this special could please anyone.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on June 16, 2010, 01:29:44 am
Wait. On the commentary, Reed said Lupin never calls himself a descendant of Arsene Lupin in the anime; he just refers to him as Lupin I.
But I just saw him use "Arsene Lupin" on episode 132.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Reed on June 16, 2010, 11:14:51 am
Again, he never calls himself "Arsene Lupin THE THIRD." He has often said he's the grandson of "Arsene Lupin," and his name being "Lupin the Third" is also well-known. But that full name, "Arsene Lupin the Third," has never been stated in the original Japanese anime nor manga. The English adaptation of the manga does use it, however.

In fact, I only remember a few times where he says "Lupin I" (or "Rupan Issei"), and those are mostly in "Steal Napoleon's Dictionary!"
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on June 16, 2010, 03:15:56 pm
I see. Forgot. Thx.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: KoichiZenigata on August 24, 2010, 01:27:38 am
This may sound like a stupid question but does anyone know how well First Contact is selling?
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Gozar on August 24, 2010, 03:45:42 am
This may sound like a stupid question but does anyone know how well First Contact is selling?
Hell if we'll ever know for sure. I doubt the numbers will be put out. I guess if Discotek releases another Lupin title then it sold well enough.
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: GATSU on August 31, 2010, 04:25:21 pm
Nothing new. Just letting you know they're on Twitter (http://twitter.com/discotekmedia) now.
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Post by: Gozar on September 01, 2010, 10:46:20 pm
Thanks for the link. *Follows*
Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Reed on October 17, 2010, 05:28:42 am
I like the side-plot with Zenigata and George McFly. He resembles his namesake in Back to the Future in that he doesn't want to make waves--meek to a comical degree, and it takes Zenigata's flagrant disregard for by-the-book regulations to give him a spine. And, from the subs, McFly says that Zenigata inspired him to be a "rebel again"--implying that maybe McFly was once like Zenigata but got disillusioned, or cowed into obedience, or something else that silenced him.

Gotta admit, I like this analysis. I wouldn't have paid much attention to the "again" aspect if you hadn't pointed this out.

I didn't realize until watching the sub that Zenigata knew that the director wasn't Lupin when he had him arrested--that's some nice subtle vengeance by Zenigata against the director for putting him in jail/threatening to deport him/treating him like crap. : )

I still think that Episode 0 is canon despite it being Lupin telling the story--we see the Clam of Hermes and the Federal Reserve, what more proof do we need? And then,  during the ending credits, some minor characters from the special show up again--the very same taxi driver drops off Zenigata. That continuity suggests that Lupin wasn't lying.


As for the prior, I didn't pay it much mind...I honestly thought Zenigata was just mistaking him for Lupin, but the two of them quickly realized it wasn't actually him. In retrospect and upon repeat viewing, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Episode 0 is canon only depending on what you consider canon. It's impossible for both Part I and First Contact to be canon because the character's relationships in Part I were already clearly defined and cemented. Goemon wasn't introduced until several episodes in, when Jigen was already Lupin's friend. You'd have to do some serious fudging to make them fit together (i.e., ignore certain parts of one or the other). I stand by my assertion that First Contact was really meant to "replace" Part I for the younger generation of fans. If they want "First Contact" to be their origin story for the gang, then it's theirs for the taking. I, however, am okay with taking it for what it's worth--a fanciful story.

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Title: Re: "Episode Zero: First Contact" DVD now available from Discotek/Eastern Star!
Post by: Meitantei Zenigata on March 20, 2011, 06:23:44 pm
If the whole thing really was a flashback told by Jigen, then it probably happened. However, since it seemed to just be Lupin in disguise, there's a good chance that his narration is somewhat unreliable. But one of the many good things about Lupin III is that you don't have to really pay too much attention to continuity. You can start watching with any episode or movie and just enjoy it.