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Title: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: GATSU on November 01, 2016, 03:53:24 am
Details here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2016-11-01/discotek-licenses-lupin-iii-part-iv-for-2017-release-with-english-dub/.108332).

Edit: For some reason, Tony sounds more like Leisure Suit Larry than Lupin this time.  ;D
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Post by: JAG2045 on November 01, 2016, 07:17:46 am
Just saw this on my facebook notifications!  :)

So happy this will get a dub! Will it be the same cast that did "Jigen's Gravestone"?

Also any idea if "The Italian Game" special will be included?
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Fujiko Lover on November 01, 2016, 09:14:33 am
Geez, it's been a year already since this show premiered, huh? Time flies!

Excited for this dub. This cast got me into Lupin in the first place on Adult Swim all those years ago, so to me they pretty much are the definitive English language Lupin cast. I even stopped watching Blue Jacket fansubs when I heard these guys were coming back, so I could watch the show for the first time with their voices.

Some of them sound a bit rusty, mainly Tony and Lex, but then it's also been something like 12 or so years since they last played the parts -- and they still sound good regardless. I'm sure they'll slip back into character as the series moves along. The new Zenigata, meanwhile, seems to be doing a decent homage to Jake Martin's performance without trying to exactly impersonate him.

Can't wait until we have a release date!
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on November 01, 2016, 10:24:29 am
From the looks of it they seem to be using the International Masters. So no Japanese subtitles hardcoded in like the Crunchyroll video.
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Post by: GATSU on November 01, 2016, 02:32:20 pm
Since DT finally has the money to dub an entire anime show, I requested and hope they'll consider crowdfunding dubs for the green jacket Lupin and the rest of red jacket. Also, for novelty's sake, I requested they include the Italian version of the blue jacket show on the discs, too. So we'll see what happens.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on November 01, 2016, 04:02:31 pm
This is really exciting! I don't need the dub myself, but it could potentially draw new people to the franchise who wouldn't give it a chance otherwise.

I wonder if they're going to use this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewEExa38Go) opening or the Japanese one. The international OP and ED were released on CD in Japan last year, but I'm not sure if they've actually been used in any version of the series.
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Post by: SolHerald on November 01, 2016, 06:19:07 pm
This is really exciting! I don't need the dub myself, but it could potentially draw new people to the franchise who wouldn't give it a chance otherwise.

I wonder if they're going to use this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yewEExa38Go) opening or the Japanese one. The international OP and ED were released on CD in Japan last year, but I'm not sure if they've actually been used in any version of the series.

^Ugh, don't remind me that that opening exists. Maybe as a special or something, but if they replaced the original Japanese opening I would be very disappointed.

From the trailer I can say that the voice actor for Zenigata definitely is not the worst. But, it'll take some time to get used to.
And, heres hoping every random character in the anime has a cheesy Italian accent like that cab driver does.
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on November 01, 2016, 06:54:15 pm
Let's hope they nab a badass sounding voice actor for Nyx.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: SurrealBrain on November 03, 2016, 01:52:03 am
Who voiced Zenigata there, anyways?
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Aelia on November 03, 2016, 03:40:46 am
Who voiced Zenigata there, anyways?

Doug Erholtz, I think.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Red Dear on November 03, 2016, 06:57:34 am
Who voiced Zenigata there, anyways?

Doug Erholtz, I think.

He does a good job. ^^

I don't have the same nostalgic link with the red jacket dub but I must say this cast is indeed perfectly suited
for the whole gang. Having Epcar back as Jigen is such a treat !

It's also such a great thing that the Lupin franchise gains in popularity and international coverage. :)
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Post by: Reed on November 04, 2016, 04:28:42 pm
Let's hope they nab a badass sounding voice actor for Nyx.

I hope you liked the Streamline dub's take on Count Cagliostro.
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Post by: Rhys2753 on November 07, 2016, 07:20:44 pm
If it's Michael McConnohie.......Couldn't they have gotten someone younger? I mean the guy's 65 and Nyx can't be out of his 30's. Granted I haven't heard it obviously and I'll take Reed's word for it, but still...
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Post by: Red Dear on November 08, 2016, 07:32:18 am
Considering Nyx's hair are greyish and his face is slightly wrinkly and that he has three daughters
of varying age and a wife who's clearly passed her 30's, I think he should be around 40 to 50.

And voice-actors are rarely the same age as their roles. Still, I do hope Nyx will get a fitting voice, preferably
with a british accent. That would be nice. ^^

On another note, the new voice actor for Zenigata does a good job in the preview !
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Reed on November 08, 2016, 02:16:41 pm
If it's Michael McConnohie.......Couldn't they have gotten someone younger? I mean the guy's 65 and Nyx can't be out of his 30's. Granted I haven't heard it obviously and I'll take Reed's word for it, but still...

Like, he's tweaked it a little but his delivery is very close to how he sounds as the Count.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Rhys2753 on November 08, 2016, 08:11:38 pm
Considering Nyx's hair are greyish and his face is slightly wrinkly and that he has three daughters
of varying age and a wife who's clearly passed her 30's, I think he should be around 40 to 50.

And voice-actors are rarely the same age as their roles. Still, I do hope Nyx will get a fitting voice, preferably
with a british accent. That would be nice. ^^

On another note, the new voice actor for Zenigata does a good job in the preview !

Ah, I remembered that he had a daughter, but not 3, and now that you mention it 40-50 rings better than 30's. And yeah a British accent is a must, hopefully there is one.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Rhys2753 on November 12, 2016, 08:09:47 pm
Considering the release format, We know that DVD and BD will be available, but what do you suppose the chances would be for a combo pack release? Personally I'd hope for a complete series combo pack release, but that's just me.
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Post by: SurrealBrain on November 13, 2016, 05:49:29 pm
I would hope it's a good one, if only because The Woman Called Fujiko Mine had one, and that would help ease shelf unity issues. For me, anyways.

If not...I can live, but I do like Blu-Ray/DVD combo packs.
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Post by: DrFurball on November 14, 2016, 02:37:22 pm
Not gonna lie, I got a little teary-eyed upon hearing Tony Oliver as Lupin again, and then Richard Epcar as Jigen...so good to hear (most of) the old cast again.
I'm kinda curious about the script, though. Is it gonna be almost word-for-word to the subs like Jigen's Gravestone was, or will there be some liberties taken for jokes not present in the original? I guess I'm hoping for the latter, since the Geneon dub of Part II and Mamo was hilarious thanks to the writing (though some of the early episodes DID go a bit too far, especially in regards to the pop-culture references).
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Reed on November 15, 2016, 09:20:30 pm
I'm kinda curious about the script, though. Is it gonna be almost word-for-word to the subs like Jigen's Gravestone was, or will there be some liberties taken for jokes not present in the original?

I can't speak for the entirety of the show, but it's somewhere in the middle. Definitely not rewritten the way the Part II dub was, but it's not as 1:1 literal as some other dubs you see around. There are still some goofy characterizations for one-offs, too.

OK, I'm gonna shut up now so I don't spoil the whole thing for everyone.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: DrFurball on November 17, 2016, 01:26:02 am
Far out, man! That's exactly what I was hoping for.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Rhys2753 on May 18, 2017, 01:17:42 pm
https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/865247692238331907 (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/865247692238331907)
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We've been quiet about LUPIN THE 3rd PART 4 because we've been waiting on that little Toonami announcement. BD/DVD still coming in 2017!!
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Lupus Zeniga on May 18, 2017, 02:51:09 pm
Good, can't wait.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: GATSU on June 10, 2017, 04:44:30 am
Via the Vintage Anime Fans FB page, details on the credits (http://www.toonamisquad.com/lupin-3rd-part-iv-cast-crew-opening-credits-announcement/). Seems TMS heard my suggestion that they use the Italian theme for the AS/Toonami broadcast.  8)
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: VampireNaomi on June 10, 2017, 09:14:57 am
Since it says music by Papik and mentions Yuji Ohno nowhere, does that mean the series will use the background music that was in the Italian version? It's not bad (I even bought the Italian soundtrack) but I'm going to be very bummed if that's the case.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 10, 2017, 09:29:49 am
UGGGGGHHH. I was SO looking forward to watching this dub on Adult Swim, but if they aren't using Yuji Ohno's score...!

What a stupid decision. The eventual DVD/Blu-Ray release had better have the Ohno score with the English dub, or DiscoTek is losing a sale from me.

I wonder if Reed knows anything about which audio tracks will be on the home release...?
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Rhys2753 on June 10, 2017, 10:09:24 am
Are you friggin kidding me? They had better have the Yuji Ohno score, I wish they'd have it on the AS broadcast.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Lupus Zeniga on June 10, 2017, 03:18:47 pm
WHAT? Lupin with Yuji Ohno's score removed is half Lupin, no one does Lupin music as well as him!
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: SolHerald on June 10, 2017, 04:14:32 pm
Ugh, I remember seeing the ending called "international" ending, and I though to myself, "boy this suck, I hope they don't use this for the US release." And they are.

I don't see the problem with using Yuji Ohno's score, CR used it, they used Yuji Ohno's score way back when they aired Part II. Anyways, Discotek, use Yuji Ohno's score, don't screw this up.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on June 10, 2017, 09:20:00 pm
Well, that's worrisome. I haven't heard the Italian soundtrack as a whole, but I've heard the opening theme and I have nothing good to say about it whatsoever.

I'm hopeful that Discotek manages to use the Ohno score for their Blu Ray release. If not, however, I'm sad to say I'll probably be skipping this release. Ohno's score for Part IV was absolutely wonderful and I seriously doubt the Italian soundtrack can come close.

Worst case scenario, I'll just have to do with rewatching Part IV on Crunchyroll again.
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Post by: GATSU on June 10, 2017, 10:59:59 pm
Well, if they listened to me, then they did it for a reason: It's a marketing thing. The Italian song is catchier to an audience totally new to Lupin. [Don't forget this show has not been broadcast on U.S. teevee for over a decade now...There's been a lot of competition on network and cable since then, such as Archer, Breaking Bad, and Prison Break.] But if they listened to me, then it's only for the broadcast, and not necessarily how the home video release will be presented.
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Post by: DrFurball on June 12, 2017, 02:07:03 am
Toonami usually keeps the Japanese music for their broadcasts, right? I'm gonna take the news about the music with a grain of salt.  I don't see any reason why they WOULDN'T go with the Japanese soundtrack.

Well, if they listened to me, then they did it for a reason: It's a marketing thing. The Italian song is catchier to an audience totally new to Lupin.
I can't imagine audiences screaming, panicking, and scrambling for the remote upon hearing a instrumental jazzy tune instead of an Italian rap song.

And like others have said, the previous English release on Crunchyroll went with the Japanese version of the show (which not only had a better soundtrack and intro, but fixed up some animation).

Sure, there's a chance I'm 100% wrong about this, but I'm willing to bet they go with the Japanese soundtrack.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: GATSU on June 12, 2017, 09:38:00 am
It's more memorable, and trendy. Just what the show needs. If you keep the old theme, it'll sound too much like the one they use for Mike Tyson Mysteries.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on June 12, 2017, 12:57:43 pm
Trendy? Yes, I can definitely see that.

Memorable? Compared to Yuji Ohno's theme? No, I don't see that at all.

Ohno's score is one of the key elements that got me into Lupin. After watching Cagliostro, I immediately looked up the Lupin intro on YouTube and instantly fell in love with the theme. Ohno's music has always perfectly captured the adventurous and goofy tone of Lupin IMO, and the Part IV soundtrack is one of his strongest works in the history of the series. The Italian soundtrack just feels like a cheap imitation that is struggling to, but never will, achieve the same level of memorability that Yuji Ohno's score has.

I don't want to sound so negative, but having listened both to some of the original Italian soundtrack and Ohno's Part IV soundtrack, the two just aren't even on the same level.

Whether the Toonami airing has the Yuji Ohno soundtrack or not, I'm sure Discotek will include it.
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Post by: GATSU on June 12, 2017, 04:29:28 pm
It's memorable in the sense that it sticks in your head, like one of those sitcom jingles Jason Alexander's character George mocked on Seinfeld. Or, for a more recent throwback, that 'Too Many Cooks' segment you can find on Youtube. Anyway, 'new' promo (http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2017/06/11-1/toonami-previews-lupin-the-3rd-dub?utm_source=community_cr&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=news&referrer=community_cr_twitter_news).
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 12, 2017, 11:41:58 pm
Okay, watched the promo again. Whether the Toonami version uses Ohno's music or not, I'm in to watch. I know it's heresy to say, but you can all keep your Yamadas, Kuritas, Bergens, Straits, and whoever else. Tony Oliver was the first Lupin I ever heard, and he is Lupin to me. Cannot wait to watch this!

(Though I'm still not buying the Blu-Ray unless it has the Ohno score with the English dub!)
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Post by: Red Dear on June 13, 2017, 04:51:35 pm
I don't think they will erase Ohno's soundtrack. Too much unnecessary work. They respected
his work for the red jacket series that started this dub team.

I think the music is just to accompany the promotion, nothing more.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 13, 2017, 07:12:40 pm
I don't think they will erase Ohno's soundtrack. Too much unnecessary work. They respected
his work for the red jacket series that started this dub team.

I think the music is just to accompany the promotion, nothing more.
I hope so, though if that promo that was linked a while back is indeed the Toonami/Adult Swim opening, and it specifically says "Music by Papik" with no mention of Ohno, I don't have very high hopes that the series as aired on Cartoon Network will feature Ohno's score.

With regards to the home release, I guess my main concern, which I haven't exactly articulated yet, is that DiscoTek's Blu-Rays are going to have selectable audio tracks of (1) Japanese voices with Ohno's score or (2) English voices with Papik's score. What I specifically hope to see is the English voices with Ohno's score! Sometimes Japanese licensors have weird rules about their international releases. It's possible the Papik score was composed with the intention of being used in all countries outside Japan, not just Italy.

Now granted, such a thing has never happened before with Lupin; Ohno's music has always accompanied every U.S. release thus far -- so that gives me hope. But extrapolating from Gatsu's theories, it could be that the Japanese have recently come to view Ohno's score as a possible detriment to Lupin's success overseas, and want something more contemporary to catch the attention of a broader audience.  I'm probably getting nervous over nothing, but until I know for certain that DiscoTek's Blu-Ray release will feature the English dub with Ohno's music, I'll continue to worry.
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Post by: VampireNaomi on June 14, 2017, 06:26:57 am
Now granted, such a thing has never happened before with Lupin; Ohno's music has always accompanied every U.S. release thus far -- so that gives me hope. But extrapolating from Gatsu's theories, it could be that the Japanese have recently come to view Ohno's score as a possible detriment to Lupin's success overseas, and want something more contemporary to catch the attention of a broader audience.  I'm probably getting nervous over nothing, but until I know for certain that DiscoTek's Blu-Ray release will feature the English dub with Ohno's music, I'll continue to worry.

I theorize that if they indeed used Papik's score, it might be as a result of whatever contract TMS has with the Italian broadcasting company that helped fund Blue Jacket. Maybe the Italians insisted that any version outside Japan has to use their score so the payments go to them? One thing that caught my attention earlier was this (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/865247997017370624) tweet from Discotek about how they were asked to pull the Pioneer reunion video because of the music they used in it. I can no longer remember if the clip used any Ohno music, however.

I hope all of this is just baseless speculation. After all, Crunchyroll used Ohno's score, so surely it's not an issue. Good thing the dub premiers in just a few days so we'll know a lot more.
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Post by: SolHerald on June 14, 2017, 05:14:57 pm
I theorize that if they indeed used Papik's score, it might be as a result of whatever contract TMS has with the Italian broadcasting company that helped fund Blue Jacket. Maybe the Italians insisted that any version outside Japan has to use their score so the payments go to them? One thing that caught my attention earlier was this (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/865247997017370624) tweet from Discotek about how they were asked to pull the Pioneer reunion video because of the music they used in it. I can no longer remember if the clip used any Ohno music, however.
If I'm thinking of the right one, it was the one that used clips of the Japanese opening (with Ohno's music) with the dub cast introducing themselves.

I remember reading that tweet and being confused, and if are worries are correct then I guess it now makes sense.
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on June 15, 2017, 02:53:14 pm
Well, the Toonami airing is definitely using the PAPIK score. And with them using the International Masters, which I believe are based off of the Italian ones, we may not even see the animation updates that the Japanese version received. But I hope I am wrong.
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Post by: Red Dear on June 15, 2017, 04:05:48 pm
I'll be damned, I think you are right, guy. Still, in my memory (it feels like eternity since I've seen
the italian version of Blue Jacket), PAPIK's score wasn't half bad if a little repetitive.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 16, 2017, 12:01:31 am
I'm sure it's probably fine, and if it was the only choice I'd have no problem with it. I have no objections to the music in FUJIKO MINE or JIGEN'S GRAVESTONE even though they're not Ohno. They're the only scores available and they fit the shows just fine. It's just that this is a unique situation: a Lupin series where there is an Ohno score available, but we're getting something else instead.

I really hope to get some news soon about which audio tracks will be on the Blu-Rays.
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Post by: lupinthewolf on June 16, 2017, 12:46:50 pm
If the dub on Toonami does end up using the Italian score, I hope Ohno's is still preserved on Discotek's version.
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Post by: DrFurball on June 18, 2017, 02:49:24 am
Sure, there's a chance I'm 100% wrong about this, but I'm willing to bet they go with the Japanese soundtrack.

Man, I sure do hate the taste of crow. Maybe this humble pie will help it go down better.

Soundtrack aside, it was a fun viewing. Loved hearing the old voices again. I do hope that later episodes are a bit wittier with the script, though. I think the only new gag I heard was the "bridezilla" crack, which was perfectly in-character.

Either way, I'm excited for next week!
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Post by: Aelia on June 18, 2017, 02:55:09 am
I wish I had read up a little earlier so I wouldn't have felt as crushed by the absence of Yuji Ohno's score.

Still, the performances from the cast were spot on in my opinion.
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Post by: GATSU on June 18, 2017, 04:59:24 am
BTW, I'm too busy to bother waiting for them to report on it. So if someone else wants to report how this episode and/or the next one did in the ratings, it'd be nice if you added it to this thread. Or, if they're *really* good for Lupin, mention it in a separate post, I guess. Thanks.
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Post by: Rhys2753 on June 18, 2017, 07:35:51 am
It just doesn't feel like Lupin without Ohno's score. I would be willing to pay 2-3 times the regular price for Discotek's home release to have it and the Japanese home video masters.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on June 18, 2017, 08:14:59 am
I was happy to see Lupin trending on Twitter earlier, but I also have to say that the lack of Yuji Ohno's music stuck out like a sore thumb. Watching the dub and knowing that there's a far superior soundtrack available really  bummed me out. I had a pretty fun time with the dub itself. I usually prefer the Japanese cast when it comes to Lupin, but hearing the Part 2 actors back together put a big smile on my face. I was curious about how the new Zenigata would sound, and I was pleasantly surprised. I liked him quite a bit.

If Discotek's Blu Ray has the Yuji Ohno soundtrack, even if it's only on the Japanese language track, then I'll buy it in a heartbeat. If it doesn't; however, then I won't be so quick to purchase it. Not sure why I'd pay extra money when the version I prefer is readily available on Crunchyroll. I'll buy any other Lupin release they put out, as always. I'm just not so sure about this one in particular.

EDIT: Despite my major disappointment with the music, I'll continue to watch the dub on Toonami. I enjoyed the main cast's performances in the new dub far too much to drop the show over its soundtrack. I'll just have to grit my teeth and endure Papik's poor excuse of a Lupin score.
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Post by: SolHerald on June 18, 2017, 03:25:28 pm
If Discotek's Blu Ray has the Yuji Ohno soundtrack, even if it's only on the Japanese language track, then I'll buy it in a heartbeat. If it doesn't; however, then I won't be so quick to purchase it. Not sure why I'd pay extra money when the version I prefer is readily available on Crunchyroll. I'll buy any other Lupin release they put out, as always. I'm just not so sure about this one in particular.
That's where I stand as well.

I guess because they are using the Italian masters, the broadcast also was missing the eyecatches. Obviously not as bad as not having Yuji Ohno's music, but sometimes its the little things...
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Post by: GATSU on June 18, 2017, 04:41:20 pm
BTW, while I agree with the consensus, if possible, that Papik song should be available on the home vid release, even if only as a separate bonus option.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 21, 2017, 12:21:19 am
Okay, I just watched the first episode on my DVR and I'm confused. I must be going nuts. I could've sworn I had watched it with the Papik music when it first premiered, but the music here is nothing like what I remembered at all! It's no Ohno, but it's not bad at all. It's sufficiently jazzy and reminds me a bit of the FUJIKO MINE score. Anyway, still hoping the home release will have the English voices with Ohno's music, but even if it doesn't, I guess this is a reasonable replacement.

It was great to hear the old Pioneer/Geneon cast back in action. Most of them haven't lost a beat. The new Zenigata takes some getting used to, though. At times he channels Jake Martin's performance perfectly, but other times he sounds off, like a guy "doing" a voice. Rebecca's voice is fine, but I wasn't a fan of Patrick. He sounds kinda wussy.

Overall, I'm excited to watch the rest of the series. I started watching the fansubs when the show first premiered in 2015, but a number of things kept me from getting past episode 4. Then in early 2016, it came out that the Geneon cast was returning, and at the point I resolved to not watch another episode until the domestic release with those voices. Now, nearly two years (already?!) since the show premiered, here we are!
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Post by: mikezilla2 on June 21, 2017, 03:53:20 am
Papik music ?  is that what Italy got ?
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Post by: KoichiZenigata on June 21, 2017, 09:41:19 am
NO YUJI OHNO?????!?!?!?!?!?!?  What a disgrace
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 21, 2017, 11:52:27 am
Papik music ?  is that what Italy got ?
Yes, Papik is listed as the music composer for the Adult Swim broadcast, as he was for the Italian broadcast.  It seems like the Ohno music may have been only in the Japanese version so far, though I don't know what other countries besides the Italy and the U.S. have shown the series since it premiered.
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Post by: Red Dear on June 21, 2017, 02:31:08 pm
No other country in my knowledge has licensed Part IV yet so I don't know if they will use Papik's score.
It is indeed sad for hard core Lupin III fans to not have Yuji Ohno's score along with the dub but I feel like
it is a relatively small gripe compared to the chance to get the red jacket dub back together (mostly) and having
a Lupin III series coming out on TV for the english-speaking countries. That's already a big achievement for a franchise
that struggled to have a strong presence in the western market.

Now indeed, I wonder what were the legal reasons that made the US localization having to use Papik's score.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 21, 2017, 04:53:31 pm
Now indeed, I wonder what were the legal reasons that made the US localization having to use Papik's score.

I now believe, as VampireNaomi speculated on the previous page, that there was some sort of agreement between TMS and the Italian co-producers where Papik's music would be used for international broadcasts. We may never know why, though -- but it's really the only thing that makes sense.  As others have noted, Ohno's music was used in every production where it existed for prior releases in the U.S., from multiple licensees. This is the first time it's been replaced for a release here, but it's also the first time an alternate score was available at all.

Does anyone know if, when Lupin was originally aired in Italy however many years ago, it used Ohno's music?  Or did it always have something different over there?

At any rate, you're right, Red Dear -- much as I lament the absence of Ohno's music, it is great to have a Lupin series on TV here, and featuring the Geneon cast, to boot. I just hope the DVD/Blu release features those voices with Ohno's music as an option. (Yes, I know I've said that literally one million times in this thread. But if I keep saying it enough, it has to come true, right?)

On a semi-related note, I would go nuts if DiscoTek funneled some of the proceeds from their broadcast agreement with Cartoon Network into getting this cast to dub the remaining 76 Part 2 episodes. But I'm pretty sure that's just a pipe dream.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on June 21, 2017, 06:45:22 pm
Well, here's some good news! Saw a link to this on Twitter yesterday:

https://fandompost.vbulletin.net/forum/anime-manga-discussions/us-blu-ray-dvd-and-simulcast-industry-news/64014-discotek-media-licenses-lupin-the-third-part-4/page2 (https://fandompost.vbulletin.net/forum/anime-manga-discussions/us-blu-ray-dvd-and-simulcast-industry-news/64014-discotek-media-licenses-lupin-the-third-part-4/page2)

The most recent post from Ashura confirms this...
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As we announced, the Japanese version will come out and it will have the Yuji Ohno score, subtitles, and touched up master. We're still figuring out the details for everything else, though, so that's all I can say. Due to the TV airing, the home video release won't be for a while though so we have time to do some extras and things for it.

As long as the Ohno score is available with at least the Japanese language track, I'll be buying Discotek's Blu Ray set on day one. Although, it will be a bit of a shame if the dub doesn't include Ohno's soundtrack.

That being said, as much as I like the new dub, the Japanese cast (both current and previous) will always be my favorite. So if this issue with the rights only permits Ohno's score to be used with the Japanese audio, then that'll be fine with me, personally.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on June 21, 2017, 07:57:02 pm
Well that's good, and I'll get it since the Japanese voice track will feature Ohno's music -- but I'm still crossing my fingers for the dub voices with his score as well. (That's 1,000,0001 times now.)
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Post by: GATSU on June 23, 2017, 02:55:00 am
BTW, I forgot about another elephant in the room, until the trailer reminded me: Kingsman. Sequel's coming out in September, too. So, yeah, Lupin definitely has to make an impression *now*, even if it's just a minor change in its jingle. Don't forget that DT isn't just putting out the blue jacket show, but the red one, as well. So they can't afford to have a small audience to support both of those series. I think, as a whole, Lupin did fairly well in lasting as long as it did here in the early 2000's, given its age. But all the licensors involved with it seriously overestimated the demand for this franchise; and there are still unsold discs floating around in a lot of places.
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Post by: Thief in a Red Jacket on June 23, 2017, 05:23:32 pm
BTW, I forgot about another elephant in the room, until the trailer reminded me: Kingsman. Sequel's coming out in September, too. So, yeah, Lupin definitely has to make an impression *now*, even if it's just a minor change in its jingle.

Um...not exactly sure how the release of Kingsman 2, a big budget hard-R film with a global release, has any correlation to the airing of a little-known, relatively family-friendly show like Lupin Part 4 making an impression in the US...but OK. I mean, they both have spies in them, but they're quite different in regard to plot, tone, and genre.

Don't forget that DT isn't just putting out the blue jacket show, but the red one, as well. So they can't afford to have a small audience to support both of those series.

Well, it would seem like they've been doing well enough with their Lupin releases since we're getting both Part 2 and Part 4 released this year along with the fairly large number of specials and movies they've already released. Seems like there's a small, but dedicated fan base that's been buying them. If anything, the airing on Toonami will only give Discotek more potential buyers for their Lupin products than they already have.

I don't think the franchise's prescence in the US is in jeopardy or anything. Regardless of the ratings of Part 4 on Toonami, I think it's safe to say that Discotek will still have the same amount of dedicated buyers like ourselves.
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Post by: GATSU on August 13, 2017, 02:15:39 pm
Thief: The point is they're both James Bond-esque action stories oriented more towards older viewers. And Kingsman is the bigger name ATM here than Lupin. Hence why it was important to differentiate Lupin, even if only by one minor change. And having money to license more Lupin is not the same as having enough of an audience to justify selling it. We all learned that the hard way during the early 2000's bubble. So, it's not enough to just be on Toonami. Again, it has to stand out from the pack.

Update: Tentative cover here (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/896794643123372036). Oh, and preview of voice actor/director interview here (https://twitter.com/discotekmedia/status/896783225703583744).
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Post by: SolHerald on August 13, 2017, 03:18:00 pm
Hold on, according to this: https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/896784607110193152 (https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/896784607110193152),
does that mean that one set will have the Japanese dub, and Ohno's music, and a separate set will have the English dub, and Italian music? Or will the Japanese set have the English dub as well.
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Post by: Akai Shuichi on August 13, 2017, 03:32:29 pm
Hold on, according to this: https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/896784607110193152 (https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/896784607110193152),
does that mean that one set will have the Japanese dub, and Ohno's music, and a separate set will have the English dub, and Italian music? Or will the Japanese set have the English dub as well.

Yes, you are correct. The Italian cut has different animation and shot timings so even if they wanted to do both dubs on one set it wouldn't line-up 100%.
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Post by: GATSU on August 13, 2017, 05:02:42 pm
Can't do much, but I at least threw in tips to help prevent confusion of Lupin in the marketplace, the second coming.
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Post by: Aelia on August 13, 2017, 06:33:06 pm
I'm disappointed that the English and Japanese versions won't be in the same set, but considering the circumstances separate sets are probably the best option.
Title: Re: Blue Jacket Lupin gets licensed by Discotek, *will* get dubbed.
Post by: SolHerald on August 13, 2017, 07:00:19 pm
Hold on, according to this: https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/896784607110193152 (https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/896784607110193152),
does that mean that one set will have the Japanese dub, and Ohno's music, and a separate set will have the English dub, and Italian music? Or will the Japanese set have the English dub as well.

Yes, you are correct. The Italian cut has different animation and shot timings so even if they wanted to do both dubs on one set it wouldn't line-up 100%.

That's a shame, I appreciate the effort put into the dub, but I wouldn't buy a separate set for it. Luckily, streaming on Funimation will always be an option.

Also, I hope that they will still include the Epcar interviews on the Japanese set.
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Post by: Fujiko Lover on August 13, 2017, 11:19:26 pm
Wow, that's... bizarre. I wonder if that means the Italian version is considered "official" for all international distribution? It did premiere first, after all.

I'm disappointed they're doing two different sets. You'd think they could do something like two separate DVD sets, plus one single deluxe Blu-Ray set with both versions.
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Post by: Rhys2753 on August 14, 2017, 10:28:29 am
I wonder if the UK release will have this problem? Along with anywhere else that makes a dub for the series. I would've liked the Italian score to be exclusive to the Italians so that we wouldn't have had this problem, just the Italian  releases. This Doubles down my hope that Part V is not going to have an early broadcast withe the exact same issues. As I've said elsewhere Ohno's music is a staple of everything that is Lupin (to me) Having to choose between the Ohno OST and the Dub, Ohno wins 12 times out of 10. At least I have the Mamo Movie and Part II with this cast, I'm happy with that.
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Post by: Lupin46 on August 15, 2017, 06:28:34 pm
On a somewhat related note, I attended the screening of The Italian Game movie/compilation at Otakon, which I believe is only the 2nd time it has been shown in the U.S. after Anime Expo. Overall it was a decent experience, the amount of re-used footage from the TV series felt a bit shoe-horned in at some points, but the new footage and plot were serviceable enough. One criticism I have was with the quality of the subtitles. I counted at least 5-6 obvious grammatical errors in the subtitle track, which I really hope will be fixed if/when this special gets released by Discotek or another company.